Content Drive- Started 2.9.10 Edit
Needs history expanded for most of The New Prophecy books and generally cleaned upCleaned up and expanded history for all books, but some TNP sections are still lacking in detail, if someone could help expand insaneular Talk 21:18, March 16, 2010 (UTC) Needs Family CitedDone. MaplefernMay StarClan light your pathHow's the Prey running? 00:01, February 10, 2010 (UTC) Needs Leafpool as apprentice CitedDone. Batwing ♥ 22:21, February 10, 2010 (UTC) Look for some quotes to addA couple more could be added if they are good, but no explicit need for them insaneular Talk 21:18, March 16, 2010 (UTC) Firestar's Quest and Moonrise sections need to be summarized for better flow and clarity, Firestar's Quest could alse be expanded.Done. ☀SquirrelFlame29☀ Defying the Darkness 16:42, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
- (She didn't do that much in FQ, I think it's fine the way it is) ANDYSCHLECKMouseh is now obsessed! 18:08, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
- You're right Mousetalon, I did a quick read-through of FQ and she didn't do all that much. They could both still be shortened though. WhiteStorm is back! 18:28, August 3, 2010 (UTC
- Ill get on it right now if you wantGoldenstripe 10:53, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
Tivia needs to be citedDone ☄ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 15:48, November 16, 2010 (UTC) Moonrise section could be expanded.Fixed Needs The Sight section added (Was mentioned by Brackenfur, Leafpool, and Hollypaw at least 3 times)- Ginger Loves Silver! HAPPY VALENTINES DAY!
Who is Cinderpelt, Brackenfur, Brightheart, and Thornclaw's father?
It was never comfirmed, we've just had to guess. Personally, I think it may be Lionheart, because of Brackenfur and Thornclaw's pelt color. And Brightheart could be white from her mother Frostfur, and the ginger splotches could be from Lionheart. And Cinderpelt's coloring could have come from Lionheart's father Smallear, who is also gray. Or it could have come from Frostfur's sister, Brindleface (who is also a gray tabby). But this is all just opinion. By the way, please sign with the four ~ --NightfallSilverpelt looks beautiful! 07:39, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
Yes it goes like this: Frostfur's mate is suspected to be Lionheart. thats why Brackenfur and Thornclaw are golden brown tabbys like Lionheart. and Brightheart gets her MAIN pelt color from her mom and the ginger patches from her paternal aunt, Goldenflower, and maternal grandmother's chest color. Cinderpelt has her paternal grandfather, Smallear and maternal aunt Brindelface's pelt color.
their eye colors are like this: Brackenfur and Thornclaw = Lionheart's eyes
Brightheart = maternal and paternal aunts eye color, Goldenflower is paternal and Brindleface is maternal
Cinderpelt = mother's eyes (Warriors13 23:37, January 15, 2010 (UTC))
Then think about their pesonalities, Brackenfur: Same color, same respectfulness, Think of it this way Brackenfur is the spitting image of Lionheart. Brightheart: Same fire, same amount of fairness and wisdom. Cinderpelt: same fierness when it comes to rights. Then Thornclaw: Same strength of Lionheart in the heat of the battle.220.127.116.11 22:47, February 20, 2011 (UTC)Silverthistle
Cinderpelt and Firestar Edit
Firestar seems to have a connection to Cinderpelt, because he only tells her about his dreams. When he was just a warrior, why didn't he tell Bluestar, or when she was alive, Yellowfang? Whenever I have a dream like that, I usually tell my leader, Hawkstar. He usually knows what to do. Medicine cats are supposed to care for you, not give you advice. My medicine cat, Gustcloud, just heals my wounds. I don't understand why Firestar goes to Cinderpelt for advice, when he could've gone to Bluestar, and asked her about it. Someone reply to this if they agree.
What do you mean by "whenever I have a dream like that, I usually tell my leader, Hawkstar?" Are you referring to a RP site? You make it sound like it's for real... it's not...
Well maybe he feels closer to Cinderpelt because she was his former apprentice Dappleclaw 22:15, January 16, 2010 (UTC) Dappleclaw
True. But Firestar was Bluestar's apprentice, warrior, and deputy. She told him everything. So Bluestar and Cinderpelt both had strong connections with Firestar.18.104.22.168 02:30, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
Firestar probably just could have been able to trust Cinderpelt because Bluestar and Yellowfang would have overreacted, and Cinderpelt has a calm head compared to the aforementioned she-cats.22.214.171.124 02:19, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
Well it might've been because Bluestar seemed a little mad back then, and he was probably too scared to tell her. Like the person above, I would also say that Bluestar and Yellowfang would overreact and go crazy. Cinderpelt would simply try to figure out the dream with him and give advice. -- Tinyflame --
Please take the Chatting to the forums please Grizzlyclaw00 00:33, January 13, 2011 (UTC)Grizzlyclaw00
But Cinderpelt was never meant to be a medicine cat and when the one sign about squirrelflight and brambleclaw would come together to help the clans cinderpelt interpeted it as they would destroy the clans. I think if firestar told bluestar or yellowfang I don't think that erin hunter would make yellowfang flip out but because bluestar was going a little crazy erin might have made bluestar freak out. - Silverthistle
Yellowfang wasn't too open with Fireheart. If he told her about the signs she might figure it out but not tell him. I also agree with Tinyflame (the one2 up from this) that Bluestar was a little crazy back then, and might have taken any sign as StarClan threating her or something. Cinderpelt was Fireheart's first apprentice, and had a calm mood after her ingury. She must have seem more trustworthy to Fireheart. ~~Spottedstar the 42nd~~
It was also revealed by the Erins that Cinderpelt loved Firestar $~^*Cinderblaze12*^~$ 23:49, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
Is Cinderpelt going to have a quote(s)? If so, I have a good (well, I think it's pretty good) one from Midnight. Snowfeather1Meow Mix, YUM! 00:08, January 14, 2010 (UTC) Sorry, forgot to put signature
That's a good idea
Since she is reincarnated as Cinderheart then shouldn't the parts in PoT and tFA be listed? Like when she helps Jayfeather in tFA or when she "becomes"Cinderpelt? i think we should include only the parts of those books where she actually shows as Cinderpelt.--Artimas HunterWelcome to Bramblepath's Den 22:54, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure though, because we already have a Cinderheart page, so it would just be a waste of time. We can say in Twilight that she has been reincarnated as Cinderheart and add a link to her page, if that's what you mean, but that's just my opinion. TawnySMEASH 00:22, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
Did anyone notice she is reborn as her brother's kit?! Yuck!
Icebreath 17:08, September 11, 2010 (UTC)Icebreath forevah!
I noticed she was reborn as Brackenfur (her brother)'s kit, but how is that yuck?
to the person above me, its probably because they were BROTHER AND SISTER, not FATHER AND DAUGHTER. Think about it, if you were Cinderpelt and reincarnated as your BROTHER's kit (or say you died and reincarnated as your brother or sister's next child), wouldnt you find that a little weird? you would have a whole different mom, dad, etc.
also, i read some other things like this about Cinderpelt reincarnating as Cinderheart. U know how the spirit of Cinderpelt leaves Cinderheart without cinderheart dying? if you reincarnated, wouldnt you die if your spirit left the body? and wouldnt you remember your whole past *or just some of it* and your real name and life? I could be wrong, but ya never know
Medicine Cat Apprentice Edit
I love Cinderpelt! I never thought she would become a medicine cat apprentice,well I knid of did but I'm only on the third book.
Please take that some where else. Starrlingpool
Flowerleaf, I checked, And the only time Lionheart was mentioned is when Bluestar gave Cinderpaw to Fireheart to mentor (since Lionheart was his mentor). And Fireheart thought he was watching Cinderpaw's apprenticeship. The same guy I think also put Lionheart as Frostfur's mate. I took care of that though, so no one has to worry about it.SakraTheHedgie 19:48, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
I don't think so. Why?
Seen Living and Dead Edit
I think we should put that Cinderpelt was seen dead in Twilight and Sunset, since we saw her dead body, and I think in Twilight when Cinderpelt had died and Leafpool found out, Leafpool could smell Cinderpelt's scent around her along with Spottedleaf's scent. If you want, I could find what page that it's at.
Anyways, should we? Dawnwhisper 07:07, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
Still, we did see Cinderpelt dead. o3o Dawnwhisper 04:07, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
Its about seeing a cat post death, as in seeing a cat in StarClan or the Dark Forest. You can't technically say that someone died in a certain book if you haven't seen them post death. - Ginger Loves Silver! HAPPY VALENTINES DAY! 15:13, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
I have one question, though. Would it count as seeing Cinderpelt in the books with Cinderheart in them? I'm not sure if it should because if she was reincarnated into Cinderheart, then She pretty much is
Cinderheart. The only problem is if we did say she was listed as being in the book it wouldbe confusing for someone who isn't paying attention.~~ Spottedstar the 42nd~~
Well we have a page on Cinderheart, so what really is the point? ~ Whirlwind~
Eh, I think if she did reincarnated into Cinderheart, she would of remembered her life atleast. And if she did, she would of still loved Firestar secretly instead of liking Lionblaze afterwards. Personally, I think there should of been parts in the book that said she was Cinderpelt in Cinderheart and then when it was Cinderheart. If it really was cinderpelt, maybe the scent would of been on her, she would of remembered all her life, and cats would realize "Hey, it's Cinderpelt!". then when it was Cinderheart's spirit as if she wasnt reincarnated, cinderheart would have her own life. if cinderpelt left cinderheart at the end, it should be like that. And jayfeather should've told everyone cinderpelt reincarnated, and everyone realize from time to time.
Twilight scene? Edit
I know Bluestar was already cited for the beginning of Twilight, but wasn't Yellowfang there too? It might be helpful if we checked who the cats were, but that's just my thoughts...Talyn09 21:36, October 8, 2010 (UTC)
I'm trying to find the book now... Talyn09 02:23, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
I think the Character Pixel should have a limp leg to make it more accurate. Cowsrock1 01:21, November 28, 2010 (UTC
This should be taken up with PCA, Cowsrock. It has nothing to do with the conversation above. And Cinderpelt already has a Character Pixel with a limp leg. --Midnite Talk 01:24, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
Whew, I never new my best friend Midnite could be so harsh. But she's right and if you are going to do that (which you should not), make a new topic. That has nothing to do with the Twilight Scene. NightfernThe Ferns of Night 04:26, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
Snorts* Nightfern, my harsh level ranges from zero to 10,000. ;) But yes, you're right too, this is talking about the Twilight scene, not the character pixel. Also, Talyn, when you find the book (if you find the book), make sure there's a clear reference to Yellowfang before you add it in. You probably know that, though. :) --Midnite Talk 17:27, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
I just got the book before Tayln( as the book was on hand) and read the prolouge quick. Yellowfang was not there. but there was Bluestar, Tallstar, Crookedstar, and suspected Spottedleaf and Feathertail or Silverstream.~~ Spottedstar the 42nd~~
cinderpelt and cinderheart Edit
in forest of secrets, she seemed happy to become a medicine cat apprentice126.96.36.199 16:44, December 24, 2010 (UTC)berrystorm
- Casual chatter does not belong on character talk pages. Please take it to the off wiki forum. Den/CoSC 01:42, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
in dark river, cinderheart fell out of the sky oak
When was Cinderpelt shown as white in warriors return?
It looks like Cinderpelt has one leg on her medicine cat apprentice charart... .Skystar.- Owner of all tulgy puddings 01:57, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
No she shouldn't, since she hasn't had a twisted foot since she was kitted. You could put that in the passage. ~Whirlwind~
what hapened to her page?! it's all like.... jacked up!! Sandstormrocks32 17:11, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
I think this proves Whitestorm is her father... Edit
I found this on Kate's Facebook page today. http://zyker325.deviantart.com/art/BLAM-243725832 I think that proves that Whitestorm is infact Bright/Thorn/Bracken/Cinder's father and Frostfur's mate. JackelfaceThe one and only! 20:36, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
Can someone put Whitestorm as her father please? Kate confirmed it on her page...
Whitestorm as her Father - Properly Discussed Edit
According to some, THIS constitutes proof that Whitestorm is her father. I disagree with it. The exchange in question is as follows, and I feel that people are reading only a single line and not taking the meaning of the whole exchange.
- Nick A.: Hi kate! just wondering, who is cinder pelt's father? like a confirmed father? [excluded the end of his statement]
- Shaina J.: [truncated beginning] Vicky said she's like to think it was Whitestorm, but not to quote her on it.
- Nick A.: I know but I wonder what Kate thinks XD
- Kate Cary: Def Whitestorm!
From this exchange I do not feel that we can substantiate Whitestorm as her sire because you cannot verify if she's confirming a sire, or confirming that she'd like to think it was Whitestorm like Vicky. The given statement simply isn't bulletproof. It doesn't say "her sire is definitely Whitestorm". It can mean either "her sire is definitely Whitestorm" or "i'd very much like her sire to be Whitestorm". We can't just consider a single line in a conversation, we have to consider the entire exchange.
Eh, the only Erin I trust 100% is Vicky, but I say keep what I put up: that Kate mentioned that Whitestorm MAY be the father. If Vicky thinks so and Kate backs it up, I think it's substantial enough for that at least. Shelly For a limited time only 03:19, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
Eh, I heard about this originally from here. So, I went to the actual facebook page to see if it was true. Sure enough, it was there, so I took a screenshot. I was just the guy who said I'll add it in. If you think it shouldnt be included, then I wont stand in your way x) --Bloo!yo 03:23, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
- I very honestly don't think that post is proof. We can't substantiate what Kate meant with the statement she made. There are two very clear possible meanings for her statement of "def whitestorm". People are ignoring the entirety of the conversation when they label that FB comment as proof. Den/CoSC 15:29, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
I agree, I don't think Whitestorm is her father. Unless we have actually proof from Vicky about him being her and her siblings father, I won't believe it. Vicky even said on her FB page once that she likes to think of Lionheart as Brackenfur's father, which would mean his siblings are included. (I forgot where it was, but I saw it once.) SilverThe Glee Project 21:39, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
I have actual BOOK PROOF that Whitestorm is their father :D It's crystal Clear! Edit
Okay, so on page 264 of Into the Wild, Whitestorm has lead a patrol to go get the four stolen kits from ShadowClan (Thorn, Cinder, Bright, and Bracken) and then he talks to Yellowfang about coming back to ThunderClan. She says,"You do need a medicine cat, for you and for your kits," BAM. Yellowfang said those kits where Whitestorm's :D JackelfaceThe one and only! 20:20, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
It says that she died and went straight to cinderheart but in twilight spottedleaf and cinderpelt come to her and spottedleaf says something and cinderpelt says starclan is always watching over you. I can get the actual quote and get the source if you want me to prove it. Starshine☾The Full Moon Awaits☽ 00:23, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
Where was she or her siblings ever mentioned with kit names? -Sunheart- 18:58, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
When the kits were taken by ShadowClan. There were four kits, if memory serves me correctly. We don't know which one was which, but we do know which kits they were. Brackenkit, Thornkit, Brightkit and Cinderkit, I do believe. —Garrus ღ 19:00, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
Cinderkit kidnapped Edit
it couldn't have been cinderkit kidnapped by shadowclan in Into the Wild. Is Fire and Ice, page 108, when Fireheart is showing her the ShadowClan border, she says, "I remember that scent from when Brokenstar attacked our camp. And it was on the kits he took, when you brought them home. It's ShadowClan!" I understand that it makes sense, Fireheart pulling a kit who was gray like cinders, but why would she say, "it was on the kits he took, when you brought them home." if she was one of the kits captured? And if she was too young to remember it, and Frostfur or someone only told her that so she wouldn't be scared or something to know it was her, then she wouldn't be almost 6 moons old. It doesn't make sense.The WWiki vandals Must fall!!! 08:25, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
Another of the frequent inconsistancy issues with Warriors. You could add it to the trivia. Cinders are Blazing ᴸᴵᴼᴺѕ ᴳᴼт ᴺᴵᴺᴶа ᴾᴬᵂѕ 03:22, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
i thought one of brightheart's siblings was swiftpaw at first, so thats when i agreed with the top one. but then i checked out the warriorcats.com site and went to the cat family tree updated to "the sight" (link is here: http://warriorcats.com/warriorshell.html ) and it confirms Cinderpelt WAS one of the kits *you can see that where it has brackenfur near the left almost in the middle*. and i was wrong when i thought brightheart and swiftpaw arent sisters; graystripe and swiftpaw are brother and sister.
- The Warriors official website is not accurate, therefore we do not use it for citing information. —Garrus ღ 05:31,7/30/2012
Two med. cat chararts in the gallery. Edit
I'm new to the project, so I don't know about this but (Spoilers for TLH) Should we add dead for TLH because when Cinderheart makes the choice to be a warrior Cinderpelt's spirit comes out of her body and whispers thank you. Just don't know about that.TheBoss2 19:27, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
YES!!! That is what I've been trying to post alllll day!!!(computer died :P) She is finally in StarClan because she isn't Cinderheart 'cause she chose to be a warrior and that sent her spirit free! She is finally in StarClan.
188.8.131.52 23:01, April 7, 2012 (UTC) ~Amberleaves~
Found her fatherEdit
I looked on the Wikipedia article for Thunderclan cats and it said Whitestorm was her father. In case you want proof of it, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ThunderClan_cats#Bluestar.27s_Prophecyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ThunderClan_cats#Bluestar.27s_Prophecy , Beware the Boss 20:28, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, sorry than., Beware the Boss20:36, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
You know, I think we're misusing the word reincarnated here... (SPOILERS) If Cinderpelt's soul was able to split away from Cinderheart and leave with Cinderheart still completely intact and just missing Cinderpelt's memories, this proves that Cinderheart is an entirely different cat, not a reincarnation. If anything, it's more like Cinderpelt was passively possessing Cinderheart, just an extra soul latched onto the body that could leave at any time and not just a single soul reborn in a new body. Should we at least mention this tidbit in the trivia or something? Shelly For a limited time only 01:05, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
- If I get no objections, I'll add it in tonight after work. Shelly For a limited time only 18:23, July 15, 2012 (UTC)
AHHHHHHH YIPPEEE DOO DAA BAHH!!!!!! LOOKIE SOMEONE PLEASE! Edit
Why didn't Cinderpelt's leg heal?Edit
Just wondering, why didn't Cinderpelt's leg heal? Usually if you break your leg, then as long as you take care of it and don't move it to much, the bone will mend itself. Did the twoleg monster do more than just break her leg?
The medicine cats did as much as she could to mend it, but the cats are not doctors - they don't have the correct things to mend it. Her leg didn't heal because the force of the Twoleg monster probably smashed her leg. Berry ...now what? 00:46 Thu Nov 22
Medicine Cat Ceremony Edit
I'm just asking, but why isn't there a little blue block for "Cinderpaw's Medicine Cat apprentice ceremony" and "medicine cat ceremony" or something? Please tell me if it isn't needed. But if it is, then can someone do it for me? I don't know how to edit well. 184.108.40.206 07:37, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
We never actually saw Cinderpelt's medicine cat apprentice or medicine cat ceremonies, so we don't have quotes for them. That's why we just have the apprentice ceremony; because it was seen in the book. Thank you, though. c: -Raelic Through the Ghost 07:49, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
What was worng with Cinderpelt? Edit
What was wrong with my edit Cloudskye? Please tell me why it was to be undone.
My defense: Warrior Apprentice isn't right because on the others it just has "Apprentice" and "Warrior" seperate.
I'm pretty sure that I can answer this. Cinderpelt was apprentice to both a Warrior and a Medicine Cat, therefore there has to be some distinction in her charcat, so she's listed as a Warrior Apprentice and Medicine Cat Apprentice as not to get people confused from having Apprentice and Medicine Cat Apprentice. x3 -Ducksauce 15:34, March 29, 2013 (UTC)