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Dunno if this goes here...but I was just wondering why there isn't a SkyClan ancestor category? They're seperate, I believe, and there's a category for StarClan cats and Tribe of Endless Hunting cats. Just wondering. Skt Now, you're really lying 01:20, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
Well, technically they're a faction of StarClan separated by space, are they not? SkyClan is still a Clan, they just live away from the other Clans. SkyClan's ancestors and StarClan reunited in Firestar's Quest and still mingle often. Leafstar got stalked by Spottedleaf just as much as Firestar did, if I remember SkyClan's Destiny correctly. Shelly For a limited time only 01:43, December 13, 2012 (UTC)
They're not called 'That Part of StarClan That Has SkyClan Cats', they're referred to as a different set of ancestors, despite the face that they reuinted in Firestar's Quest. StarClan and SkyClan's Ancestors are the same, but I guess it wouldn't hurt to have a category for them. Berry ...now what? 08:43 Tue Feb 5
I think a category would be good, they are still called SkyClan ancestors or something to that effect in SkyClan's Destiny, and they aren't called StarClan, it's the same thing as when we moved the Half Moon page. (Speaking of that I need to start a discussion on it) -Ducksauce 22:32, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, so apparently this was discussed and I was being an idiot and archived it far too early for anything to really be said. It's the context of which the name Maplestar is used in Code of the Clans, and whether or not it should allow her page to be moved.
- "SkyClan would be safe under Maplestar's leadership. And Robinwing would suggest that a new rule be introduced to the warrior code: that deputies replaced leaders when they lost their ninth life, as the cats most used to leadership and dealing with rival Clans."
It's talking like it happened in the future, or something close to that. I wouldn't normally say that she would get it....but it also mentions Robinwing suggesting a new part of the warrior code...so that's what throws me off. Since it wasn't really an entire discussion, I think it should be talked about. I moved the page, but felt uncomfortable and wrong in doing so, so I moved it back. What do you guys think? —Garrus ღ 09:38, 2/19/2013
I think it should be moved back to Maplestar, the context sounds firm enough to have a cite for it, and with a cite the page would be moved anyway, so yeah. Sorry if I made absolutely no sense. x3 -Ducksauce 22:27, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
Thistleclaw: Tabby Alt or Partial Ddescription?Edit
Ok, I'm not planning to join, but this is the best place to bring this up. This has been on my mind for a while, but I was unsure of where to bring it up (and I still am), but in The Last Hope on pages 159 and 288 and somewhere in Night Whispers (can't remember where), Thistleclaw is called a dark tabby, and he got an alt for it. However, it wasn't specified what kind of dark tabby, which I think means that he is a dark gray tabby, but I'm not sure. What do you think? original discussion found here, if you want to look at it. Bluestar Leaf flying in the wind 22:42, February 22, 2013 (UTC)
As I said, he's also got another alt for it, where he's called a dark brown tabby. But, he's specifically called a "dark brown tabby". I do believe even Vicky said she'd imagined him as a dark brown tabby, and I think the mistake in BP reflects on that... Who's to say that this isn't the same kind of mistake? Regardless, we're kinda assuming it means "dark gray".... <crawls away 'cause I'm not in the mood to be told "you're wrong" and just says honest opinion> —Garrus ღ 23:35, 2/22/2013
I think we mentioned something about how soon it is mentioned, and isn't it mentioned much later in the books? And she did say brown, why would it change to gray? I think it should just stay an alt Yo! 22:53, February 25, 2013 (UTC)
I agree that it should stay, she has said brown before, and anyway, the default color for tabbies are brown, so even if he was described as a dark tabby, he has been called a dark brown tabby more than once, I, also, think that it should stay as a mistake. -Ducksauce 22:30, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, so I don't have the book yet, but from hat I've read in the browse inside and in the spoilers, Half Moon is only called Stoneteller in The Sun Trail. So I think that e should move her page back to Stoneteller (Ancient) because we actually see what her tribemates(or whatever they were called) called her. I'm bad at starting discusions. Dx -Ducksauce 22:39, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
However, after death, she was called Half Moon, and I do believe for names, we go what they were most recently called in the timeline. Which, these are long before the modern arcs. I believe her name should stay as Half Moon, as that's what she was called post-death. —Garrus ღ 22:43, 3/7/2013
Yes, but if I remember correctly, only Jayfeather called her that, and Jayfeather knew her long before she became a sharpclaw, it's like if you have a friend that is known by a nickname throughout school, and later in life you see them again, you'll probably call them by that nickname, it's the name that you'd called them for so long, even if they go by their first or middle name now. But here we have multiple cats calling her Stoneteller, not just one calling her Half Moon. I don't know, that's just my opinion. owo -Ducksauce 23:18, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
Actually, no. She was called Half Moon by Bluestar. Not just Jayfeather. That's why I said that. If it were just Jayfeather, I could understand it being a nickname. But, someone who probably didn't even really know her also called her Half Moon. <headcanon>Which makes me think that upon a Stoneteller's death, they revert to the name they originally had before they became Stoneteller.</headcanon> —Garrus ღ 23:22, 3/7/2013
Or we could do what we did with the original four leaders and list her under the most recently used name (recently as in on the canon timeline and not recently in terms of publication) but on her page (in her description at least) list both names. And next to her Healer rank on her charcat list both Teller of Pointed Stones and Half Moon. Seems like a simple compromise. We know for certain that in the afterlife we've never seen her called anything but Half Moon by anyone. And we know that in life all but Lion's Roar called her Stoneteller. So it seems to be the best compromise. 18.104.22.168 17:07, March 13, 2013 (UTC) (Shelly signed out because Verizon is a butt)
Would "the stranger", who appeared in pages 163-164 in The Sun Trail get a page? He has a description, gender, and rank named, and did affect the plot in a way (he was the one who informed of the traveling cats that there were rogues living on the other side of the Highstones, and even told them that was what the kittypets called them), but no name. I'd like to see what others think about this. Bbunlegs 21:02, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
I think he should have a page and charart, if soemone can think of a sutible page name for him... but it's up to everyone else, I think.☮♞☯⛄I need Coffee!
I agree with Sorrel, he should get a page, a charart, the whole deal, and the project can brainstorm suitable page names for him. Truthfully I haven't gotten around to reading The Sun Trail but with what Beebs says I think I can trust my opinion... Tawny 23:18 Tuesday May 7 2013
Moving Sky (Leader) Edit
I think this is pretty much the same case as Half Moon's name. Based on Cloudstar's Journey, the name of Clear Sky is used in place of Sky or Skystar. Since there isn't a spot on the timeline for Code of the Clans, and either way that one story takes place before Cloudstar's Journey, should his page be moved to Clear Sky? -Raelic Through the Ghost 20:55, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
Well, I think we should wait until the other books are released to move the page. Vicky seemed to acknowledge the name "Sky", so perhaps there are plans to change the names in later books? Regardless, I think his page should stay how it is, if only for the fact that it's too early, imho, to make a call. —Garrus ღ 19:14, 4/5/2013
How is it too early though? That's like saying an apprentice shouldn't have their apprentice name on a page because they'll be a warrior soon. I don't see the point in waiting potentially three years before Clear Sky becomes Sky, so we might as well move him now, if we're going to do so. -Raelic Through the Ghost 16:58, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
That's not the same thing, though, Breezey. With Clear Sky, we don't know if he kept the name after settling down, or if he changed it. Changing his page name to Clear Sky would just be us assuming that he kept his name the entire time. But, at the same time, he is called Clear Sky by the members of SkyClan. Although we all know how inconsistent the series is. Regardless, I never said that we needed to wait like /three/ years before moving it. ._. Maybe just until another book is released or perhaps until Vicky or Kate say something to support or go against him being called Clear Sky. —Garrus ღ 18:11, 4/7/2013
Wasn't the name Sky used in Code of the Clans? That's why there's a cite next to his name. I'd say switch him to Clear Sky since that's his primary name, and list Sky along with it like Half Moon and the other original leaders. Shelly For a limited time only 16:11, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
Clear Sky seems to be his name after death, so I'd say we go with that as his actual page name. He may have been called Sky for a time while he was alive, or that might have been a mistake, but he has been called Clear Sky by clan cats after death, so it seems to be what he stuck with in the end, and his most current name.
As in a previous discussion here, we had conflicting opinions about extremely minor characters like Dappletail's Kit (which is still on consideration for the chopping block). However, it seemed like a popular idea to merge these characters into one page. So there's two options to go with, either define the terms on what qualifies a minor character to receive a page, or figure out the format of the one minor characters page option. Please explain which option is more beneficial and why. Atelda 14:47, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
I like the idea of having a page for minor characters, mainly just to group them all together and be done with it, so we don't have all these tiny articles, and I believe we could redirect the searches to that page. But I am unsure as to how we would go about making it. Probably something like Wikipedia does for it's characters in books? I don't think we need any infoboxes, just a summary of the characters, which could be arranged by series and book. -Raelic Through the Ghost 17:20, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
I like a minor character page, because imho, characters like Dappletail's Kit, who have no effect on the plot and are just mentioned don't need a full page to themselves, it'd fit perfectly into a minor characters page. -Ducksauce 17:21, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
I think only the minor characters who effected the plot in some way (such as Petal's mum) should get their own page. What good is it to have pages for characters who didn't even effect the plot in some way? I'd say we should define the terms on what qualifies on a minor character to get their own page, so that those who don't effect the plot get merged into a single page, while others who have recieve their own. Bbunlegs 18:48, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
I'd think characters like Leafstar's Mother and Sol's Father (and possibly even Shellheart's Grandfather) would still retain their own page, as they are, at least Sol's Father's case, part of the plot of at least one book. But characters like Dappletail's kit really don't need any form of a page whatsoever, as they are not vital to the plot whatsoever. Would this also apply to cats like Leaftail, who is an allegiances only character and only mentioned outside of it once? —Garrus ღ 18:54, 4/17/2013
I believe that cats like Leaftail should also get merged too. Despite appearing in the allegiances, they have contributed nothing to the plot whatsoever, and were probably only mentioned a few times in the series. Bbunlegs 19:28, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
Except allegiance-only characters demonstrate the population of a Clan/cat group as well as have a specific name. Plus, this page would turn out to be huge if we included all allegiance-only characters. I think confinements around what should be have a page and should not have a page is a specific name or if they give clear motive, responsibility, or influence over (a) particular character(s) who effects the plot in a deliberate way. Atelda 02:44, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
I've been supporting the minor character page for a while. I do think characters who have clearly stated names should keep their articles, like the allegiance only ones, and I think we should make some sort of guidelines on what requires a page outside of that, and then leave the rest grouped together on the minor character page. It'd be great to have, especially with cats like say, those "unknown kits" who I always see in the family sections with no specifications of who they are or anything. We can simply link to their section on the minor character page if we make it, and all the info given about them will be there to see, and then there'll be no confusion over who they are, who their parents/siblings are, and so on. Those guys have always bugged me.
How about these guidelines:
- Characters shall receive a page if:
- they have a deliberate, given name
- mentioned by name/listed in the allegiances
- if they give clear motive, responsibility, or influence over (a) particular character(s) who effects the plot in a deliberate way
Yes, those sound like awesome guidelines, as for the format, charcats honestly wouldn't work, they'd overlap on some of the extremely minor characters and it'd honestly be a mess. Possibly a new simple template or something? Also, would the cats be alphabetized or in order by book or what? -Ducksauce 12:41, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
Onestar has been the Content Drive for almost two years, longer then I've even been on the wiki. It's long time that we got a new one. I'm open to suggestions, but remember that this article needs to have problems, it'll be featured on the project's main page for possibly a long time, with the whole project focusing on working on that article. From just glancing over the bronze/started articles Smallear, Hutch, and Sharpclaw look like possible candidates. What do you guys think? =) -Ducksauce 04:30, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
Hello, PC members! I would like to suggest there being a relationships page/section for the characters. I have seen this on other wikis, and I thought it might be a good idea. I think this would be a good idea because the character's pages only briefly mention their relationship with other characters. A good example for this would be Longtail and Firestar. When Firestar first came into the ThunderClan camp, Longtail was the one to challenge him at a fight for his right to be in the Clan. FIrestar had proved his worth, but Longtail still didn't like him until later on in the series. The character pages don't go into much depth on that, so I thought it would be a good idea to make a page for that. Another good example would be Firestar and Sandstorm. When Firestar joined ThunderClan, Sandstorm didn't like him because of his kittypet roots. But after Firestar saved her from falling over the gorge, she had a new respect for him, and unlike Dustpelt, she stopped mocking him. After that, the two cats began to develop a relationship. However, in Firestar's Quest, when Sandstorm realizes Firestar had feelings for Spottedleaf, she became fairly jealous, until Spottedleaf came by and stopped the argument, saying that they belonged together. Firestar admitted he wouldn't want to be with anyone else, and later they had two kits. What do you think of this suggestion? .Jasmine555. (talk) 13:16, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
Honestly I think that we don't really need it, it would get down to people speculating, like with Rainwhisker and Swallowtail, the books and the authors have never said that they were mates, but people would be adding them to the relationships, same with Blackclaw and Mistystar, I've seen anons and people add him in as her mate multiple times, but there is no canon proof. Also, the relationships would be based heavily on opinion, so I don't think that it's needed. -Ducksauce 19:45, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
Characters' Personality Edit
Okay, I know that I'm a new member and I shouldn't be saying thing like this. And I've been using this wiki for a long time. But I've always felt that the character pages needed something more; a 'personality' section. It helps describing the general personality of the character and maybe a bit of personality change of the character through out the whole series, because it's been really harder for viewers to actually learn about what the character is like and some might not have the book, Cats of the Clans. Personality really tells a lot about ta character.
It's perfectly fine to you to present ideas, no matter how new you are.
Although, I don't believe characters should have a personality section for the same reason they don't have a relationship section: it's too heavily based on opinion. It would be difficult to cite and people would tend to put their own speculations into articles. -Raelic Through the Ghost13:58 Tue May 21 2013
I know but it's really tiring to figure out what kind of character the cats are. I mean for some of them, it's easy to write for the personality. For example, Tigerstar or Hawkfrost. We can write that they are ambitious. And it even shows it in the book. Ina0601 (talk) 01:56, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
I'd like to join, please. :) ♞⛄ I'm watching you... 18:08, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
Dappletail's Kit ~ Silver NominationEdit
We have never come to a consensus on Dappletail's Kit's page. The conversation was resolved due to another idea of having a complete page of minor characters. Sol's Twoleg, Petal's and Fox's Mother, etc. all contribute a bit of something to the plot or explain more about a certain character. Dappletail's Kit does not. However, please focus more on the kit and it would help to combine sentences. This also may be put on hold since there's still conflicting opinion about this page. Atelda 14:43, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
- Those cats contributed to the plot of a book but, but, this kit actually did. He's used to explain why Snowkit's blind, so despite the mere few sentences he appears in, without him, there's no real explanation as to why Snowkit's blind and no reason for a reader to go Google (or Bing -trollface-) it to see if it actually happens in real cats. So he does have a bit more of a purpose than just a background character. We've pages for allegiance only characters who don't appear in the main story at all, so why not a kit who's mentioned for realistic relief? Berry ...now what? 07:02 Mon Apr 8
- Allegiance characters have actual names and are mentioned in the book, even if it's just the allegiances. It's the fact that they actually have names and demonstrate the diversity and population of a Clan. Also, Dappletail's kit doesn't necessarily explain why Snowkit's blind. Dappletail could have explained that white cats with blue eyes are often born deaf without presenting her other kit. While Dappletail's kit provides a bit of proof, she could also have used any other white kit with blue eyes that was known to be deaf. Especially since it must be commonly known since you can't prove something like that with two cases. Atelda 15:48, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
- So a name's enough to get a character a page, even if they're there for not even a sentence in the book? This kit was actually used for something. Without using the kit, the cats with would have no actual proof of the cats with white fur and blue eyes are born deaf, unless there was another cat like this. The thing is though, they used this kit and no other cat, so he does actually offer something to the storyline, even if it's only a small bit of info. Berry ...now what? 14:44 Sat Apr 13
- Berry, by that definition every dog that's chased the cats on a journey, or a random cat that Firepaw fights in Into the Wild, or Storm's two unnamed kits, or Mapleshade's kits, etc. would get a page. They contributed to the plot about as much as Dappletail's kit did. The only difference I see is that the kit had a description and was only mentioned by himself. -Raelic Through the Ghost 15:48, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
Shattered Ice ~ Silver NominationEdit
There appear to be some "one sentence paragraphs" (as they're not actually paragraphs at all but they're formatted like one) scattered throughout the article. Now, I'm no expert on writing or grammar in the least, but I always thought that paragraphs were supposed to have at least three sentences within them. Could you perhaps elaborate on the sentences and provide some detail?
Take for example:
- "He and Dappled Pelt talk quietly under a patch of weak sunshine when Gray Wing arrives at the hollow."
Is there any way this can be lengthened, and perhaps explain what he and Dappled Pelt were talking about? There are a couple others that are in there, but I just picked one that seemed easy enough to work with. All in all, it's a very lengthy article. —Garrus ღ 23:24, 5/7/2013