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Ken and Jean - Separate Them? 
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This article is the only character article that has planned status. I want to see if I can change that. :)
Before I start digging in, I want to see if anyone would like to separate them. I personally believe that we should. I know that they're not major characters, but we've made article for cats without names, so I see no reason why each character shouldn't have their own pages. What do you guys think? Leave your thoughts down below and I'll weigh both sides and possibly create a vote accordingly. :) ☾Moonflight☽ 15:51, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, but didn't we make articles for Sol's Father and Leafstar's Mother simply because they had relevance to their individual plots? With Ken and Jean, the two are only relevant to the plot together, in my opinion. There'd be a lot less to write about them seperately than together, at least in Jean's case. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 15:57, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
I always wondered why they weren't separate. I think they should be, because they are different characters. Their individual roles should still be acknowledged, no matter how small. Look at the allegiances-only cats. They have articles of their own, even though we'll probably never see them do anything important in the books, because they're still characters. -Hollydapple798- 17:49, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
I agree, they are seperate characters, and should be treated as such. Ibly Oh yeah!!! 21:57, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
I think they should be separate characters as well. We do the same for other minor characters, instead of grouping them together. Mistkit and Nightkit, for example, as well as Leafstar's Mother and Sol's Father. Just because they're human characters doesn't really mean much of anything...and since the page is only "started" status, we wouldn't have to worry about changing any of the gradings. Keℓsey taℓk 00:21,4/18/2012
Have we come to a conclusion on this? Are we going to separate them, or not? This discussion has been sitting here for almost a month with no feedback. Keℓsey taℓk 22:38,5/15/2012
Senior warriors and citing ranks Edit
Wow I completely forgot to bring this up. xD Anyways, so I was discussing with Teldy about this a bit, and she said to bring up an actual discussion about it. I was editing a bit the other day and noticed a couple of characters who were in the senior warrior category, though I have no memory of them ever being mentioned. As it's a category, I can't add a cite tag to it, and even if I could, nobody could cite it to prove they are one. So I was thinking perhaps we could list them in the charcats like any other rank, and cite where it specifically says they're a senior warrior. But then we also couldn't cite those and not the other ranks, as it'd be inconsistent. So maybe we should just cite all ranks in the charcat? It'd be helpful with more than just the senior warriors too, for instance, characters like Pad, who's in the manga only which I know a lot of people have never read, is listed as a Loner, Kittypet, and Kit. However he's only a kit, and he was only in one book. So how do we know it's real unless you can read the book yourself? Am I rambling?
Anyways, so what do you guys think? Should we add the Senior Warrior rank to the charcat, and/or cite ranks? Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 08:54, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
I think it might be hard to cite where a character is mentioned as a SW, but it wouldn't be impossible to find. I'm not against the idea. Chez puddin' 15:44, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
I also think it'd be a good idea to cite the other ranks (like kit, elder, etc.). Chez puddin' 15:50, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it would be hard to find the cites, but in a way, that's kinda the point. So few SWs are mentioned in the series, and yet there's so many in the category. If it's hard to cite, a lot may be taken out due to lack of cite, which is the point. Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 00:45, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
That's true. I agree with this idea. Chez puddin' 13:11, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
I agree, Paleh. I don't remember some of the cats in that category being called SWs... StoneyTalk 01:15, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I agree we should cite the ranks. However, I don't know about adding the SW. In fact, I might put up an AfD for that category just because it will always remain incomplete. We basically know all of the SWs in ThunderClan since that's where the point of view is coming from. But we have not the faintest clue who's SW in the other Clans. I mean, yes, there's the ones who are older cats than some of the newer ones, but we still don't know for sure if they are SWs. Then there are the middle group where they've been alive a couple of books, yet they're not as old as others, and we really don't know. AteldaKony 2012 01:20, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
Hmmmm true, it won't ever be complete, but then most categories won't ever be "complete". We probably won't know every Windclan cat for instance, or every Tribe of Endless Hunting cat. But you're right, the only ones we really know are ThunderClan. I'm not sure it's really needed. I'd support and AfD, but not necessarily cause it won't ever be "complete". Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 21:42, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
This sounds like a good idea. I have an idea for citing a character being described as a senior warrior. If one cat is newly mentioned as one, cats that are of similar age can have that used as their citation as well. That would make sense, since I'd think age pretty much qualifies a cat for a senior warrior rank. Oh, and yeah, I'm trying to be helpful to other projects now, so hi! :) Ibly Oh yeah!!! 21:55, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
Ohai Ivy! 8D But it's not always about age. Usually, but not always, so it'd be assuming if we cited a cat as a senior warrior cause a cat a similar age is one. For instance, Thistleclaw and Tigerclaw established themselves as senior warriors fairly young, before Bluestar even, who was older than them. Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 23:42, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
I would cite the ranks, however, I still am against having senior warriors being added. While "being incomplete" is definitively not a legal reason to delete a category or disregard the rank, it's still pretty biased. I mean, we'd have most all of ThunderClan as senior warriors and maybe some RiverClan due to Crookedstar's Promise, but otherwise it'd seem we would be favoring ThunderClan. Plus, as Paleclaw said, age is a hint but not a fact. AteldaKony 2012 03:33, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
Minnowkit (CP) ~ Silver Nomination Edit
Welp, a minor dead character ftw. I reworded a bit, but I doubt there's any quotes I could add, except for the one where Crookedstar's naming them; tell me if I should.~ So, comments? MoonehGoodbye, everyone... 10:05, 04 19, 2012
I would suggest adding that quote, but not as the main quote. :P Also, in the first part of the first paragraph of Crookedstar's Promise, I suggest giving a bit more detail about their birth and so, such as in what time of the year they were born, ect. Also, in the last sentence of Crookedstar's Promise, could you add a bit more detail on Silverkit of her whereabouts, and what happened after Minnowkit's death? Of course, just a bit detail, we don't part of the article to be based pretty much on Silverkit.
You don't have to add this in if it's much...But in my view, it would be something I would like to know of if I was using the article as references or so. :P StoneyTalk 15:19, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
Okay. Re-worded a bit again, added the part where he named them in more detail, and added the quote at the bottom. Nothing else is really mentioned about Minnowkit, but Crookedstar is just seen grieving over all of them...about a page or two later. MoonehGoodbye, everyone... 09:45, 04 20, 2012
CBV? Keℓsey taℓk 01:23,5/12/2012
Vote is up! Keℓsey taℓk 03:21,5/13/2012
Dovestar (RC) ~ Silver Nomination Edit
Not much that can be added, since Dovestar only appears once. Keℓsey taℓk 16:32,4/19/2012
Any quotes from Leafpool about her? AteldaKony 2012 21:02, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
Not that have to do with Dovestar...there's one or two about the law itself, but not Dovestar. Keℓsey taℓk 00:24,4/22/2012
CBV? Keℓsey taℓk 01:29,5/12/2012
Vote is up! Keℓsey taℓk 03:21,5/13/2012
Frogleap ~ Silver Nomination Edit
I'm so nervous, this is my first nomination. I reworded most of it but I don't see much else, Comments?Ducksplash Talk! PC Edits 00:34, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
Try and expand the last few sentences in CP. They just seem kinda...short, compared to the rest of the article. Take this one for example:
- Frogleap is with Echomist, Owlfur, Lakeshine, Reedshine, and Skyheart listening to Timberfur's orders..
Could you try and elaborate on the orders given, and possibly what happened? Keℓsey taℓk 04:12,4/20/2012
OK, made it about as long as it could be without copying it from the bookDucksplash Talk! PC Edits
Could you either elaborate on the quote descriptions? Which battle was supposed to be his first, who they were going to shred, and who their new denmates were, etc. -Hollydapple798- 18:52, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks and Done.Ducksplash Talk! PC Edits 20:59, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
Could you in any way expand each paragraph as much as possible? The paragraphs seem quite short...Also...Hmm, it's hard to describe, but could you somehow add more detail (or excitement, I would say) to the overall history? Other than that, this looks good! StoneyTalk 23:32, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
OK, I'll work on that, Thaks!Ducksplash Talk! PC Edits 12:23, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
I tried but he's not mentioned very much in the book, and whe he is he's usually just mentioned for a sentence or two☛Ducksplash☚
CBV? Keℓsey taℓk 01:29,5/12/2012
Vote is up! Keℓsey taℓk 03:21,5/13/2012
Woody ~ Silver Nomination Edit
Because... Woody. :3 I think the article's good. It covers his history completely and he has plenty of quotes. I don't see anything that isn't cited. Comments? Shelly ALLONS-Y! 00:40, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
CBV? Keℓsey taℓk 01:29,5/12/2012
Vote is up! Keℓsey taℓk 03:21,5/13/2012
Sparrowfeather (RC) ~ Silver Nomination Edit
I added bronze status onto the page, but I don't see much more for such a minor character. Comments?Ducksplash Talk! PC Edits 12:23, April 26, 2012 (UTC)02:59, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
Mmm, you're right, it looks pretty complete. But I remember in Crookedstar's leader ceremony, he mentioned how he automatically knew as lot of the StarClan cat's names, "as if he'd known them all his life". If that applies to Sparrowfeather, could you add it into the history? Oh, and if you see any quotes, add them, please. -Hollydapple798- 13:28, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
There's no more guotes, but I added in the part about his name, Thanks!Ducksplash Talk! PC Edits 12:19, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
Snowy ~ Silver Nomination Edit
Um, I would like to nominate Snowy for silver. I did random page, and what do you know, Snowy came up. :3 I am trying my best to edit her to make her legible for silver. ❄Moss❄ 00:17, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
OK, but you don't need to nominate a character for bronze, you only nominate them for silver and gold.Template:Ducksplash/Sig 00:47, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
Oops! Sorry, I'm really nominating Snowy for Silver. :3 ❄Moss❄ 21:19, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
Expand Firestar's Quest if you can. ♪ROWANFLIGHT♪Talk to me! 21:21, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
It's OK, and can you add maybe one or two more quotes...Ducksplash Talk! PC Edits 21:43, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
Kay, added a quote and added a sentence to Firestar's Quest. :3 ❄Moss❄ 00:42, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
Mmm...this is completely optional, but you might consider changing the main quote. Maybe to the first one in the quotes section about how she spends time around Twolegs? -Hollydapple798- 15:27, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
Swallowtail (RC) ~ Silver Nomination Edit
Comments? She's pretty minor, but I liked her in Starlight. xD Keℓsey taℓk 02:28,4/27/2012
Looks Good! But is there maybe one more quote?☛Ducksplash☚
Done. I manged to find two more, but that's it. She doesn't speak much, if at all. Keℓsey taℓk 02:50,4/27/2012
I would remove the part about Swallowtail possibly being in love with Rainwhisker. If there's a hint, though, leave it in, but mention what the hint was in the article. -Hollydapple798- 16:20, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
Done. The only time I could find Swallowtail in Starlight was during that event.. Keℓsey taℓk 16:30,4/27/2012
Food for thought Edit
Yo guys, me again :P When I was working on an Erin Hunter chat for PR, Vicky said something about the allegiances not having a full list of cats. Why I bring this up is that on character articles, if they haven't been mentioned in the allegiances, they're almost automatically assumed dead. Also, take Darkfoot for an example. He never appeared in the allegiances and only apperanced once while in WindClan, I think, and yet no mention of him has him listed as dead. To me, that sounds like speculation. I think instead of assuming they are dead, why don't we assume they have an unknown status if there has been no mention of them? And if I'm missing something and this is already be done, be kind about informing me of my mistake XD Ibly Oh yeah!!! 02:49, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
Hmm, I agree with you Ivy. Do you have a cite of when Vicky mentioned this? ♪ROWANFLIGHT♪Talk to me! 21:24, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with that as well. It's annoying to see all of the theories running around saying a character is dead or something along those lines just because they're not seen in a book. Perhaps the editor forgot to add them in or something... it doesn't automatically mean they've died. Unless it's said in the books, I don't think it should be placed on the article that they've died. Keℓsey taℓk 21:28,4/28/2012
I Agree^ ☛Ducksplash☚ 21:44, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
I'm agreeing with everyone above me. -Hollydapple798- 22:29, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
I totally agree. This would explain why some characters aren't listed in the allegiances yet appear in the book. Chez puddin' 13:55, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
Whitewater ~ Silver Nomination Edit
I couldn't find any quotes for her, and she doesn't appear a lot. Kind of a boring character. Thoughts? Chez puddin' 14:11, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
Can you expand the Fading Echoes and'' Night Whispers sections? ☛Ducksplash☚
I read through that section of Fading Echoes and didn't find that detail in the book. As for Night Whispers, that was the only time she appeared in the book. Chez puddin' 00:39, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
Foxy ~ Silver Nomination Edit
I added a main quote and redid a couple of things, but didn't see much else, Comments?☛Ducksplash☚ 21:40, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
In the paragraph, there is a link without the two "]]"s at the end. Can you fix that?☆⒨⒪⒪⒩⒮⒣⒤⒩⒠☆ 23:25, May 2, 2012 (UTC)Moonshine
Somebody must of fixed it, because I don't see it.♘DuckSplash♞
01:57, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
Piketooth ~ Silver NominationEdit
I redid a couple things, added a bit of history. Very minor character... Comments?☆⒨⒪⒪⒩⒮⒣⒤⒩⒠☆ 22:20, April 29, 2012 (UTC)Moonshine
Could you add maybe a couple more quotes?☛Ducksplash☚
Can you try and detail the history a little more? Keℓsey taℓk 22:38,4/29/2012
Gar I was gonna nominate him. :3 Can you combine some of the paragraphs? There seems to be more than necessary. Chez puddin' 22:39, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
I own Crookedstar's Promise, so I looked for quotes before I nominated him. There aren't anymore☆⒨⒪⒪⒩⒮⒣⒤⒩⒠☆
Done. I detailed the history as much as I could. With the combining of paragraphs, all of them were about different things, so i couldn't really combine them.--☆⒨⒪⒪⒩⒮⒣⒤⒩⒠☆ 20:39, May 1, 2012 (UTC)Moonshine
There's a status issue on his page. Can you either fix it or have someone else fix it? Chez puddin' 13:08, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
(I fixed it, Chez, it only takes a second.) In the third paragraph from the bottom, is it possible to detail Crookedjaw and Willowpaw's conversation any more? -Hollydapple798- 13:33, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
Wildfur - Silver NominationEdit
I added a quote. Not exactly sure how this works so tell me if I'm doing something wrong. WildfireThe past is gone. 00:16, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
Can you add maybe another quote? ☛Ducksplash☚
^^Done. WildfireThe past is gone. 23:59, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
Expand and detail his article please. Springflower I'm baaaack! 20:43 Wed May 2
That's the only time he was mentioned and there's not that much to expand, I'll re-read the chapter and see what I can do. WildfireThe past is gone. 02:02, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
I did what I could, I messed with some of the words. WildfireThe past is gone. 19:32, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
Frecklewish - Silver Nomination Edit
Just finished with the quotes, and I expanded SkyClan's Destiny a lot a few days ago because the events weren't in order. I think I can expand After the Flood a tiny bit. Comments? -Hollydapple798- 02:26, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
I think you should expand After the Flood a bit☆⒨⒪⒪⒩⒮⒣⒤⒩⒠☆ 10:43, April 30, 2012 (UTC)Moonshine
Done. That's all I can really do with AtF, she was only mentioned that one time. -Hollydapple798- 15:46, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
Can you add a reference for her Kittypet name, right now it's just one of the [Source?] tags.☛Ducksplash☚ 21:01, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
That's meant to be like that, since we're currently in the process of finding out what her kittypet name was. It's not going to affect the overall quality of the article, so it's fine. Keℓsey taℓk 21:03,5/11/2012
Willowshine ~ Silver Nomination Edit
8D Willowshine~ Her style and history seems quite well now, except the sections of Po3, which I'll get to. Comments? StoneyTalk 04:12, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
You might consider changing the main quote. Just because there are more descriptive ones, like when she talks about how much she loves being a medicine cat and what have you.... x3 -Hollydapple798- 04:16, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
Can you expant the sections Dawn, Sign of The Moon, Eclipse, and Outcast in any way? ☛Ducksplash☚
If you've fixed the concerns on her talk page, can you remove the box saying that she needs improvements? Chez puddin' 01:11, May 4, 01 (UTC)
I removed the style template, and I changed the quote, but it was changed again...*shrugs* I'll get to the history now. StoneyTalk 19:10, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
Running Fox ~ Silver Nomination Edit
I'd fixed it up before I left and I think it's ready still. There aren't any more quotes I can add. Comments, concerns? Springflower I'm baaaack! 22:19 Tue May 1
Reword the last paragraph. ♪ROWANFLIGHT♪Talk to me! 22:20, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
Is there anyway you can expand the Long Shadows section?♘DuckSplash♞
I can't expand Long Shadows, but I'll reword the last paragraph if I can. Springflower I'm baaaack! 23:44 Tue May 1
Done. Springflower I'm baaaack! 13:27 Wed May 2
Sheeptail ~ Silver Nomination Edit
It looks fine to me, and I went through the book, poor thing never gets a word out, so comments? Springflower I'm baaaack! 22:33 Tue May 1
Is there any way you can expand the history?☛Ducksplash☚ 17:46, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
A message from Sweet: She says she can't expand it anymore. Skt Like a baws 13:26, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
Weedwhisker ~ Silver NominationEdit
I reworded the history a bit, and added some things. I couldn't find any quotes to add. Anyways, comments?--☆⒨⒪⒪⒩⒮⒣⒤⒩⒠☆ 23:26, May 1, 2012 (UTC)Moonshine
Could you reword the first paragraph and expand the next two sentences?♘DuckSplash♞
12:18, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
On his talk page it says he's only started status. Can you change it to bronze? Chez puddin'13:12, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
I upgraded it to bronze. But could you detail the second paragraph of BP? I seem to remember either him saying something about Bluepaw's squirrel, or one of the warriors saying that he'd enjoy it.... -Hollydapple798- 23:38, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
Talonstar ~ Silver Nomination Edit
He's kind of boring, but he has already been nominated for bronze status. Comments? Chez puddin' 18:48, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
Expand his history if you can, or detail his appearances please. Springflower I'm baaaack! 21:39 Wed May 2
Done. Chez puddin' 00:06, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
Add a quote please. StoneyTalk 19:17, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
Oddly enough, he actually doesn't have any direct quotes. He talks, but it says something like "Talonstar begins his report" or "Talonstar assures." So I don't think any quotes of him can be added. Sorry. Chez puddin' 23:40, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
Scorchfur ~ Silver Nomination Edit
I remember putting this one up before, I can't expand anything or find any quotes but if anything needs to be re-worded or flow better than I can do that. Comments? Springflower I'm baaaack! 21:10 Wed May 2
Can you expand Battles of The Clans any?♘DuckSplash♞
21:15, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
I don't think so. Springflower I'm baaaack! 21:47 Wed May 2
I'm probably nitpicking, but could you rephrase Fading Echoes? -Hollydapple798- 22:09, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
Yes ma'am I can and I did. (Nitpicking is fine, we want quality articles don't we?) :) Springflower I'm baaaack! 20:45 Thu May 3
Sol's Twoleg Edit
Should the twoleg that owns Sol in The Rescue be given a page? She appears physically, has lines, and makes a major impact on the main plot of the book. We have cats with articles that make less of an impact and don't ever appear at all. I'd figure we'd either name the article Sol's Twoleg or Harry's Twoleg. I've already added her to the twoleg page under significant twolegs. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 21:35, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
I think that she should. If she has lines, then she should. ♪ROWANFLIGHT♪Talk to me! 21:36, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
22:01, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
Wow, you're right, Shelly, she should. She's a significant character, human or not. I'd say "Sol's Twoleg" would be a more appropriate name than "Harry's Twoleg". -Hollydapple798- 22:04, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
"Sol's Twoleg" would make a lot more sense, since there may very well be people that haven't read the SkyClan graphic novels, so they might not know who Harry is. I mean, yeah, they could search it, but, we'd be better off putting "Sol" instead of "Harry", since that's what his name is as of now, and what he's known as. Plus, Sol even said that Harry wasn't his real name anyways. Keℓsey taℓk 22:49,5/2/2012
Ken and Jean were given articles, so why not for this one? I agree. StoneyTalk 22:55, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
Sol's Twoleg should get one, she spoke lines and was seen more than once. It should be called "Sol's Twoleg" (IMO). I agree with everything that has been said already. :3 Springflower I'm baaaack! 20:37 Thu May 3
Thistlepaw (P3) ~ Silver Nomination Edit
His history looks good and he doesn't say much. Comments? Chez puddin' 22:39, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
Are there any quotes about him? ☛Ducksplash☚ 04:42, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
Could you rephrase Dark River, and if it's at all possible, detail it too, please? -Hollydapple798- 23:34, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
Done and I don't think he says anything that describes his personality. I don't have the book to look for quotes. Chez puddin' 22:34, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
Elaborate the section on Long Shadows in the history. Even though he didn't appear, what were his siblings doing since they appeared? StoneyTalk 19:15, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
Done. Chez puddin' 23:36, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
Rage ~ Silver Nomination Edit
I hope it's fine to nominate this...First nomination! Comments? Hollyleaf123456789 17:05, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
If there is one, add a quote about his appearance or his personality. ♪ROWANFLIGHT♪Talk to me! 17:19, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
Can you reword the first paragraph?♘DuckSplash♞
16:32, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
Cause of Death in Charcat Edit
Okay, so I was discussing this in chat, and mostly >.> everyone thought it was a good idea. So hear me out.
Adding cause of death to charcat. Yes, it's already in the article, but so is their post-death, their name, their Clan, their family, their deputies, their apprentices, their mentors, their preceding and following leader, etc., etc. It could be between the age and the post-death. For example, Willowpelt would be just "Death = Killed by a badger{{r|fq|94}}", the cite being the exact page the cause of death was identified, not the page they died on. If a cat was killed by another cat, it would be "Death = Killed by (for example) Scourge(cite)" For leaders, it could be the cause of death of their last life, the one that caused them to actually die (Bluestar drowning, Sunstar dogs, etc.).
Thoughts on all of this? ❦loonie never let go, jack ❤ 16:48, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
I like this idea because it kills the need to waste time of scrolling down to the last book they appear in before they die to see why.--.Bossman, OSD: Obsessive Spottedleaf disorder 16:50, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
This sounds like a good idea. They already say if they're dead or not, so why not add how they died? owo Jack never let go, loonie ❤ 17:47, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with this. More information we can add 8D ♪ROWANFLIGHT♪Talk to me! 18:04, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea to me. -Hollydapple798- 19:00, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
It's good to me...but we need to be really careful about what we add, and it should be added if and only if it's been directly stated in the book. No "I thinks" or "this may have been how they died" or any of that. There are going to be people that think a character may have died of sickness or old age, when in fact it could have been something else. If we don't know, and can't provide an accurate reference where it's been directly stated, don't add it. Keℓsey taℓk 19:07,5/6/2012
Exactly. Even with Firestar. We don't know if it was the wounds, the fire, or a branch hitting him on the head or something that killed him. ❦loonie never let go, jack ❤ 19:08, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
No, actually, that we do know. Kate said that it was his wounds caused by the battle with Tigerstar that killed him. The fire was to bring Dovewing back to her senses. Keℓsey taℓk 19:10,5/6/2012
All right. So for that, we'd need a cite that linked to her blog, or wherever that was. ❦loonie never let go, jack ❤ 19:12, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
So... it would be something along these lines?
- Death = Killed by wounds (revealed on Kate's Blog)
Or, however you want to do it... Keℓsey taℓk 19:15,5/6/2012
No, no. It'd be like a regular cite. So Death = Killed by wounds[1], with the cite linking to Kate's blog. ❦loonie never let go, jack ❤ 19:17, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
Even though I disagreed with it in chat, I think now that it'd be a good idea. Chez puddin'22:46, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
18:33, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
So long as it fell beneath the spoiler warning, I'd be fine with it. But what would we do with leaders? List nine deaths? Or just list their final death? Shelly ALLONS-Y! 00:30, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
For leaders it would be their final life. That'd make the most sense. Chez puddin' 00:40, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, especially because when leaders lose a life, it's not a permanent death (unless it's their ninth, of course). We already list how a leader lost each life at the bottom of the article. -Hollydapple798- 15:21, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
Well, that's all fine and good then. The admins are currently in the middle of tweaking the charcats anyway (adding in a toggle that will allow the charcats to show two chararts at once), shall we ask them to put this in while they're working on it? Shelly ALLONS-Y! 15:50, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
I think we should☛Ducksplash☚ 15:53, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
Mmhm. It can't hurt to ask anyway. :3 -Hollydapple798- 13:25, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
I can add in this part. Do we have a community consensus? AteldaKony 2012 03:37, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
I'm consenting. -totally not biased- ❦loonie never let go, jack ❤ 03:39, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
Certainly no objections from me. Keℓsey taℓk 03:45,5/13/2012
Seems so, yes. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 03:57, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I support this. -Hollydapple798- 22:37, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
I support. But just to be totally clear, we're only adding this if it's completely clearly stated what the cause was, correct? Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 01:06, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
[Should have commented on this before] I support. ^^ StoneyTalk 01:09, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
I should note, I feel we should keep the second deaths for cats that are killed in StarClan or the Dark Forest after dying once already. They are killed a second time, we should list it under their causes of death. So please stop removing that info from the charcats. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 15:35, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
I disagree. It's not their bodies that are being killed, it's their spirits. They have already died. This section is for initial death only.
Also, just because you "feel" something doesn't make it law. Let's decide something before adding it into the article and demanding it stay that way. ❦loonie never let go, jack ❤ 19:16, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
Loon, let's make a decision before you go around removing it, eh?
Their spirit dying is a second death. The section is for cause of death, and if they die twice we might as well list both. I understand not listing all nine deaths for leaders since we already have sections for that, but for cats that die once and then are killed in the afterlife, we should list both instances. It'll make it as thorough as possible. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 19:19, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
A decision should be made before the stuff's even added in the first place.
I think it should be used for what caused them to go to StarClan. They're already dead when they fade. Initial cause of death only, imho. Keℓsey taℓk 19:22,5/15/2012
Brightspirit's Rank Edit
Hey guys, I'm here to try to work out a problem in the Brightspirit article.
You see, I can't find a cite of her having been a warrior. Normally I'd let that be, since she has a warrior name and a cited Clan and is in StarClan meaning she probably didn't do anything to betray her Clans and become a rogue or loner.
However, her main quote threw her rank into question. You see, her quote, while not confirming the thought, could lead one to believe that Brightspirit died as a medicine cat apprentice. She says she thought once to set her paws on the path to being a medicine cat, but that StarClan laid down a different path for her. To me, that could mean that she started ont he path, but that her journey to becoming a medicine cat was cut short because she died. She certianly has the attitude of a medicine cat, saying that she sets out to help any cat she can, no matter their affiliation, and showing a good knowledge of herbs.
My point is that we don't have proof of her rank. I've been looking, but I can't find it. Can someone look in Long Shadows to see if she's mentioned as a warrior? If we can't find anything, I'll send a message to Vicky or Kate asking for an answer. This is what I consider, and I know many of you consider as well, to be a special character, and every care should be taken to ensuring her article is perfect and as factual as possible. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 05:19, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
I think the meaning of her quote is perfectly clear. She thought to become a medicine cat, but StarClan had other plans for her. For all we know, she could have been a very young deputy (young ones aren't exactly non-existant; ie, Fireheart), or something along those lines. Or she could have been an MCA, and StarClan called her to be a warrior, like Hollypaw. We don't know, therefore I think her article should be left alone. There's no need to mess with something that's been like that for quite a while, just because of a quote that could be misinterpreted as something else.
Tldr; if it isn't broken, don't fix it. >.> Keℓsey taℓk 05:24,5/11/2012
As for her parents, I'm fine with leaving them as is. They're mates and have warrior names, it's most likely they were warriors at least at some point, so I'm fine with making the small assumption there when we have no reason not to.
And presenting what may be false information makes it "broken" in my eyes. We're an encyclopedia. We can't show false information based on nostalgia or sentimentality. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 05:26, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
And no interpretation is a "misinterpretation" until hard facts are provided. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 05:27, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
There's no difference between assuming her mother and father were warriors, and her. Keℓsey taℓk 05:28,5/11/2012
Her mother and father are mates and have never mentioned that they once thought to be medicine cats. There's a huge difference. But hey, you want to make it like that, we can also ask the Erins about their rank as well. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 05:31, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
In my point of view, I see the quote saying that she had the same case as Cinderpelt, who wanted to become a warrior, but StarClan had a "different path" for her, except that for Brightspirit, it is the opposite.
Honestly, I don't agree. Warrior, MCA, Deputy, Queen, ect... They're all assumptions. Why change it now, because if it was changed, it would still be an assumption. Either keep it, or remove it. StoneyTalk 05:32, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
This is about the best thing we have:
"The first was a young she-cat - barely old enough to be a warrior - her silver tabby pelt glimmering with a pale light."
And you can find this in Long Shadows. Check page 144. Imho, this says she was a warrior. Keℓsey taℓk 05:34,5/11/2012
No it doesn't. It states her age. At the time, Jaypaw was barely old enough to be a warrior, too. That doesn't confirm her rank. Look, I'm sending a message to Cherith right now asking her about it. And unless we get an answer, we cannot have anything in an article based on assumptions. That's the whole reason we went around removing that "it is assumed they died blah blah" crud, was it not? How is this different? Shelly ALLONS-Y! 05:37, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
Regardless, nothing is being done until everyone else has had a say in it. No one is removing/adding/tagging anything for deletion/ect, until we decide what to do about it. The opinions of three members mean nothing. Just because one wants one thing, and someone else wants another, does not mean we're going to act upon that. Keℓsey taℓk 05:40,5/11/2012
I didn't have any intention of doing so, thanks so much. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 05:47, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
I wasn't talking about you. I'm just trying to prevent what happened in PCA with the pale/white markings debate from happening again. I think that was jumping the gun, as this is. For all we know, another user might see this and decide to act on their own. It's not against you. >.> Keℓsey taℓk 05:49,5/11/2012
Well she says she wasn't a medicine cat, even if she was a MCA. But she has her warrior name. So that'd mean she's been a warrior at some point, even if that's not the rank she died. I do agree it's kind of assumptions, but..... *shrugs* Also *cough* citing ranks. Why must nobody comment on that? XD Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 15:22, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
Not necessarily, Paleh. Remember, MCAs can have full names, they just remain MCAs until their mentor dies. Like Leafpool, Jayfeather, Flametail, Willowshine, Kestrelflight, etc. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 15:38, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
Guys: If there's no citation for her rank, then she /doesn't get portrayed as a rank/. If we want to be the best, we can't present guesses as the truth. There isn't anything to discuss here. No citation, then it's not fact and it's not on this wiki. Period, end of sentence. That's how this wiki operates. Kitsufox Den/CoSC 15:59, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
I'll go look for a cite somewhere. See if there's anything at all..... and Shelly, if she got her full name as a MCA, she would be a full medicine cat. She'd still have a mentor, but she'd still be a full MC. So that's out of the question. Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 06:11, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
Sandypaw ~ Silver Nomination Edit
Re-wrote history, and expanded as much as I could. Comments? Keℓsey taℓk 01:31,5/12/2012
I'm pretty sure Patchfoot, Fallowfern and Petalnose didn't actually leave, they just talked about it, so that might need removing.(Look on Page 73 of After the Flood)☛Ducksplash☚ 06:15, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
Well, it was implied that they left. (I know what page it is, I have the book. >.>) I think it's fine, imho. Keℓsey taℓk 06:19,5/12/2012
I rephrased it, since I'm not really in the mood to argue. =.= Keℓsey taℓk 06:23,5/12/2012
Perhaps detail the section on AtF, in the history. Exactly what was his reaction to those thinking about leaving? And why were those cats thinking about leaving? StoneyTalk 19:13, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
I can't detail it, Stone. There's nothing more there to detail. XD Keℓsey taℓk 22:01,5/12/2012
Featherbreeze99- Joining Request Edit
Hello, I would like to join Project Character, because I have an interest in all the characters and would like to contribute to this wiki a bit more. Thank you! Featherbreeze! 19:06, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
Welcome, please read the guidelines and refer to the FAQ for help if needed. AteldaKony 2012 19:20, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
New Feature on Charcats Coming Soon Edit
For those of you that don't know yet, a new feature on the charcats will be coming soon. At the moment there's a few kinks that are being worked out, but it'll be done sooner than later.
The switch template will be for characters such as the daylight warriors who are two ranks at once. The page linked shows how to use it when it's all done. Sicne this template will be only effecting character articles, I figured it'd be best to post it here. ^^
Ciao. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 04:00, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
Would Like To Join Edit
May I please join this project?
Starry Hawk 21:14, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
Sure; welcome to the project. I'll add you in as a warrior in a minute. Please read the FAQ and the guidelines. -Hollydapple798- 22:33, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
Willowpelt - Silver Nomination Edit
I've wanted to nominate her since I first joined PC. Anyway, I changed the main quote, and I'll be adding more this evening. I expanded the overall history, and added a section for Midnight, because she was mentioned. So, suggestions? -Hollydapple798- 00:24, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
This is just a pet peeve of mine, but could you get the quotes section in chronological order? Shelly ALLONS-Y! 01:13, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
Can you expand the Fireand Ice and A Dangerous Path sections?☛Ducksplash☚ 02:24, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
I fixed the quotes. Why on earth did I arrange them like that? I can't expand Fire and Ice because I don't have the book, but I'd really appreciate it if someone who does have it could help me out. If there's anything else to add, that is. I can't expand A Dangerous Path at all, but I rephrased it a little. -Hollydapple798- 14:49, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
Vicky's Facebook in Template:R (again) Edit
So I decided to try out adding Facebook to the R template again by stealing the old code and playing around with it, and I think I found a way to do it that may be useful. Not perfect, but usable.
Each common cite used can be added to a page, like R/b, and given a unique name. For instance, there's a cite where Vicky confirms all the parents of the original main characters in the original series, Sandstorm, Dustpelt, Ravenpaw, and Graystripe. That would be named oskits or something of the sort. Now this method is only really useful for very common cites, such as family cites and such, but I still think it'd be useful to have.
Example;
{{r|fb|oskits}}
Makes
- ↑ Revealed on Vicky's Facebook Page
Make sense? Any comments or questions? Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 01:01, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
