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For once, Shelly has an idea that can be construed as a way to make the project more fun. Hooray!
This would just be for fun, to add a friendly competition to charart making. Since PC, PB, and PW get to have features on the front page every month, why don't we feature a best charart on the front page of PCA every month? For fairness, it can only be a charart made originally or as a redo.
I think a couple of additional rules would be that a person that has a charart win one month would be unable to get nominated for two months afterward. The senior members would make the nominations and the entire project would vote for their favorite.
Features would go on PCA's main page, right below the project news (I think).
How does this sound? Shelly ALLONS-Y! 23:34, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
As I said on the chat, I think this is a very good idea. Silvereye ♥ Cookie the Betta Fish ♥
23:36, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I re-thought this. I don't agree. What if each month, a charart made by one or two users will be nominated every time? I wouldn't find that so fun. Also...Though it is for fun...I just don't think it's very necessary...Sorry. StoneyTalk 23:38, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
That's why I added in the rule that once a person wins they have to wait two months before even being nominated again. Of course, we can extend that length of time. And of course it isn't necessary, nothing about this project is. It'd just be a fun way to encourage users to do their best and improve their skills. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 23:51, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Hmm...That would work. StoneyTalk 23:54, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Sounds fun! Why not? Maple♥legsMischief brewing 00:00, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Spark stands by what she said on the chat. |3 Good idea, Shelly~ Spark Love me some chocolate~! ♥ 00:02, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Sounds okay, but I had a couple suggestions. Maybe, instead of art being nominated by a user, the OA would put forth their art for consideration and everyone would vote, kinda like the contest. And, though I think you implied this, one charart per user? Where'd the voting be done? And does the charart have to be started and completed in that month, or just started? Scarletwind Fire is Catching The Mockingjay 00:36, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
I think we'd do nominations in a forum like the other projects do. And good idea with the self-nominations. And I think a charart will need to be completed to be put up for nomination. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 00:42, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
I knew that the charart would have to be completed. I meant within the month, like could it only be a charart started on April 6th and finished April 24th? Scarlet Derp moment Scarletwind Fire is Catching The Mockingjay 01:01, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
So this is actual chararts displayed on the wiki (ie. I could nominate Whitestorm's Apprentice), not fanfic chararts. Slap me if I'm wrong. Also, what if I originally did an image, and it was later redone by another user, who would get to nominate it? Does it have to be the current version of the image? I like this idea, it will bring more fun to the project. :) I agree with self-nominations. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 02:21, 09, 04, 2012
Ah, Scarlet, I think just finished within the month then. And DJ, yeah, only images that go through PCA. So no non-canon stuff. And I doubt any charart you finish would be redone within the month. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 02:41, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Honestly I'm not a huge fan of this idea. It sounds fun and all, but I have a feeling it will cause drama, and that's never good. Nice idea, but it may not work out as nicely as you imagine, so I'm gonna say no, I don't agree. Go ahead, shoot me now. Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 03:46, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
No one is mad that you disagree, Paleclaw. Everyone is inclined to their own opinion. Scarletwind Fire is Catching The Mockingjay 03:49, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Paleclaw. It's really easy to hurt others feeling with art and it might cause some resentment. I might be wrong, but from what I've seen with PC, PB, and PW, the articles featured are a collaboration of several different users, with edits from contributors and others on the wiki. A charart is really just made by one person, despite the critiques that are given on the image. It doesn't really show what the wiki can do, just what a person can do. Also users might get bitter if their art isn't featured and some of them might decide to cause drama, and like Paleclaw said, that's never a good thing. Breezewhisker 04:11, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
I agree too. To the warriors, apprentices, and kits, their art may or may not be featured as much as SW+, and that might hurt their feelings. Also, I know who's art would mostly be featured, and even though we'd do the two month rule, we'd still have common winners and it might intimate users about their own skill. I know I am when I look on the approvals and tweaks page, and aside from my few good chararts (Crookedstar, Firestar, Mapleshade), I might feel sure about my skills (this is mostly an example using me, but I might feel a little let down if I only had, let's say, one feature during this whole run, and so would other's). I know you guys who agree only have good intentions, but there could be consequences :/ I hope I explained what I meant right. It sounded better in my head lol Ibly Oh yeah!!! 20:17, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
Maybe to share around the prize to be featured between the different ranks, we could change the theme each month or every two months. For example, one month might have the theme of "The Most Original Art", and the next month might be "The Neatest Shading" or something. (Someone can think of better names then me). Not sure it will quite work though. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 02:49, 10, 04, 2012
DJ, that sounds like a really good idea~ *claps* I think that we could maybe go along with DJ's theme idea, and that way every charart would have a shot at being featured. Dazzle~♪ 23:02, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah! I like DJ's idea because thinking about it, it would probably open up to more of the project members, if that makes sense. Ivyheart =P 03:06, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
It would encourage progress and I think this would be fun. However, it needs to be coordinated exceptionally well as in, there probably would need to be two-three people responsible for doing all this. It would be no good in having this activity fall apart like with the chats. AteldaKony 2012 02:07, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
I'd be happy to volenteer to help out with this mini-project type. We'd need to organise special guidelines for this though. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 00:07, 29, 04, 2012
Are we going to do anything with this discussion? It's been sitting here for quite a while without any comments. Keℓsey taℓk 23:46,5/6/2012
Should we set up a vote to see if everyone agrees with this? It seems like a good idea so far. ☯ Mistypebble ☯ 21:11, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
I think the vote should be set up. :) This'll be fun! I think. StoneyTalk 21:25, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
Yep, agreed. I set up a vote here. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 07:17, 11, 05, 2012
A Public Apology to *Wildfire* and a Proposal for and Elder Rank Edit
As the heading suggests, I'm here to formally apologize for what I started recently concerning the actions of Wildfire. As many of you know, when Wildfire posted a list of non-contributive users to this talk page, I was the first to decry her actions as over the line and rude. Soon after this, Wildfire was kicked from the project.
We were wrong to do this.
Wildfire, I am so sorry for what I said and what happened. In hindsight, what you did was more than appropriate. You did what the senior warriors should have been doing by checking the contributions of the members of this project and finding those that did not fit our guidelines any more. We should have encouraged you to continue helping with the footwork our senior warriors haven't been doing, and we should not have kicked you from the project.
As such, project bannings should not be considered an option for punishment anymore. They are not enforceable as project membership is not required for project participation.
And furthermore, I'd like to propose yet another rank. One that other projects already use. That'd be the elder rank.
The purpose of the elder rank is simple. When someone starts to become less than contributive, they are added to this rank to remind them to contribute and to remind senior warriors to keep an eye on them. If they're in the rank too long, they're removed from the project.
I think that this would help a bit.
And, again, I sincerely apologize to Wildfire for my own rash actions that led to the rash actions of others. I hope you don't think less of me for it. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 20:54, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry as well, Wild. There isn't much I can say that's already been said. I kicked myself (not literally) for booting you from the project, and afterwards, I felt terrible for days.
I feel partially responsible for this, as it was my choice to kick you from the project. I thought it was the right thing to do at the time, and I now realize that it wasn't. I wasn't thinking with my head, and now I realize the error of my ways.
Again, I'm sorry, Wild. We're glad to have you back in PCA, and I swear to StarClan this'll never happen again. Keℓsey taℓk 20:59,4/16/2012
Thank you for doing this, it means alot, but you didn't have to, you believed what you were doing was for the good for the project and I can't blame you for that. You gave me a chance to think about my words and the effects of them, and I needed to do that. Thank you Shelly and Cloudy for doing this though, it really does mean alot. WildfireThe past is gone. 21:47, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
About the Elder proposal... I think it's an excellent idea. Maybe, when they are added to the rank, a lead can leave the a message to let them know. ♪ROWANFLIGHT♪Talk to me! 16:21, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
I like the idea of the elder rank too. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 07:44, 20, 04, 2012
Okay, here are my biases with the elder rank. The elder rank is meant to list people who are inactive reminding them to contribute to the project, however most users who fall inactive don't come back. It's upon a user's own free will to join a project and it's the users responsibility to contribute to the project. Should they not attend to this responsibility, they face the consequences. It shouldn't be the project's responsibility to keep track of the level of activeness from multiple users. I feel that with the Elder's rank, that would make the project, especially senior members, responsible for keeping track of multiple user's activeness. AteldaKony 2012 02:03, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
If a user is inactive, putting them in the elder rank won't help them, so they should just be removed from the membership list. ChanCharm 05:34, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
Have we come to a conclusion on this topic? ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 07:50, 14, 05, 2012
Blueish-gray cats vs. Gray catsEdit
It kinda hurts me to bring this up, but this is a blue cat and this is a gray cat.
We've had this discussion before and Bluestar and all related blue-gray family members were redone so that they were more realistic Ibly Oh yeah!!! 14:14, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
The first one doesn't even look like it's blue, honestly..... Keℓsey taℓk 14:16,4/20/2012
Well, the only blueish ca that I really know of is a Russian Blue.. How about this one? [1] ☯ Mistypebble ☯ 14:35, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
For the record: When talking about animals that are not birds or fish, the word "Blue" refers to gray coloration. Even the russian blue mentioned above is just a shade of gray. Kitsufox Den/CoSC 14:42, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I had to hang up early. @ Kitsufox, I know that. @ Ivy Bluestar got alts for being called gray, but since they are basically the same, I don't know if she should. @ Cloudskye, that's my whole point. @ Misty, there are others, like the Nebalung, Korat, and Chartreux, and British shorthairs usually are blue as well. Bluestar Leaf flying in the wind 16:26, April 20, 2012 (UTC)
The current ones are much closer to blue-grey than the old ones were. The blue coloring in those really only shows up when the light is just right, otherwise those cats just look grey. Breezewhisker 03:34, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
I kinda agree. If we're going to be counting gold and ginger as the same thing, Bluestar really shouldn't have alts for being gray. She is gray, in the right light. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 16:04, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
I agree. I tried to object to when we started giving them plain gray alts, but nobody agreed so I gave up. :P Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 22:51, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
This is sort of like the gray-light gray alt one shade to the next, they are basically the same thing. So I agree we shouldn't give her the alts. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 01:18, 22, 04, 2012
I say that the regular gray alts should go. However, I believe she has one or two alts that I think should stay. I know for a fact her light leader alt that I made should stay because she was mentioned with pale fur, which contradicts her description, and I believe the one where she has a solid stripe on her head would stay too (should double check to make sure) Ibly Oh yeah!!! 15:39, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
Actually, by the new alt guidelines, being described as light would only be a single shade shift since she isn't described as dark, and wouldn't qualify for an alt. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 02:07, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
So she and Mistystar shouldn't have pale gray or dark gray alts. (coughs) And yet people are still making them right now. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 15:06, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
And your point? If they're making them, decline them and tell them that it's too close to the original shade. Simple as that. Keℓsey taℓk 16:00,4/26/2012
No. Every time I do something without deferring to the project first, I get accused of working based on my opinion alone and I'm tired of it. So, on this matter, I am attempting to get this matter closed now. Now, can we all agree that blue-gray and gray are basically the same colour as gold and ginger are? And, if so, can we delete Mistystar and Bluestar's light gray or dark gray alts, since they are only a single shade away from their current images? Shelly ALLONS-Y! 20:10, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
I don't support it, not do I go against it. However, if that's what the project wants, that's what the project wants. <shrugs> I don't mind either way. Comments, everyone? Keℓsey taℓk 20:14,4/26/2012
I support it. Bluestar Leaf flying in the wind 20:40, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
I don't agree. We should get rid of the gray alts, yes, that's a partial description. But pale gray and dark gray would be more than one shade. They should stay. Pale gray and blue-grey are not the same thing, and it's a big enough difference they should get an alt. Blue-gray is a shade of gray, not the same as plain gray. Going from blue-gray to light or dark grey would be two shades. They should get alts. Just get rid of the plain gray ones. Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 21:55, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
That's an excellent point, Paleh. I agree with that 100%. ❦loonie never let go, jack ❤ 22:06, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
I agree as well. 100% :) ♪ROWANFLIGHT♪Talk to me! 22:08, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Paleh too. Just simply get rid of the plain gray alts. Silvereye ♥ Cookie the Betta Fish ♥ 22:11, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
Except, depending on the light, Bluestar can be any shade of gray. In fact, she's only even blue-gray in perfect lighting. In any other light, she'd look just gray, and so I believe we should treat gray and blue-gray as synonyms, but like we treat ginger and golden as synonyms (though, honestly, I don't remember agreeing to that). Shelly ALLONS-Y! 01:10, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
Uhg. You know what? I'm taking Ivy's stance. You guys do what you want. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 01:11, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
We are treating blue-gray and gray as synonyms, but we're treating light or dark gray as something different. As we should. If say, Brackenfur, were described as pale ginger, I do believe he'd get and alt. I don't think we ever agreed ginger and golden were synonyms so much as they're too similar for an alt, as it's golden's just a shade of ginger. Just as blue-gray's a shade of gray. But light or dark gray is a completely different shade, even if it came from the same color. Like plae ginger and golden. Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 01:42, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
I'm agreeing with Paleh on this, giving it a second thought. Comparing the alts, blue-gray and light-gray are very different, but the plain gray alts should stay. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 02:09, 28, 04, 2012
I think that blue-gray and gray are the same thing, but I also think dark-gray is pretty much the same too. Light-gray is completely different though. ChanCharm 07:01, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
No. It's still two shades. If pale gray's different, so is dark gray. Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 06:16, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
Is there a conclusion to this discussion? ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 07:50, 14, 05, 2012
Tweak Page LimitEdit
Since the number of users having the ability to tweak/redo images is rising, I think the limit should rise as well, since the project's goal is to create "high quality images" might as well, let them keep flowing. Maybe raise it to 35-40? Any comments? Concerns? Scarletwind Fire is Catching The Mockingjay 02:54, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
Mmm... 30-35 sounds okay to me. :3 ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 04:39, 30, 04, 2012
Hmm, I'd say yes, but... there hasn't really been a problem with the tweak page filling up so far. It's full once in a while, yeah, but it's never been a problem. It might be later, and I'd see the good in expanding the tweak page at that time. But if it comes to a vote, yeah, I'd probably vote to expand the page now. Just putting forth my own hesitant thoughts. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 04:46, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, 35 on both sounds good. ✦▲ Mounty 04:45 Mon Apr 30
Since the number of tweaks have been piling up. It would be a good way to help get them done. ✦▲ Mounty 04:48 Mon Apr 30
I have no qualms with it. Certainly fine by me. In fact, why don't we just make the page limits for both the approval page and tweak page the same, that way we only have to remember one number? Keℓsey taℓk 04:50,4/30/2012
That would be a good idea... It's not too much or too little, so 35 for both of them sounds good in my opinion. 99.111.192.240 19:20, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, that was me. >.< ☯ Mistypebble ☯ 19:21, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, making the same number on both pages would be much easier, and 35 would be right. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 05:57, 01, 05, 2012
If we're all in agreement, then I'll go and change the limit. Scarletwind Fire is Catching The Mockingjay 00:25, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but I don't think that that the current limit is much of a problem. It's not even full always. I don't agree, sorry. Also, I think that the approval page could be changed back to the original limit, as we're done for now with redoing any blanks, and plus the raised limit was for the apprentices. StoneyTalk 00:38, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
Now, giving it a second thought, the tweak page isn't always even near full. I think it's fine for now, and I agree with Stoney. The approval page however should go back to it's normal limit. If it's number should change, I'd say 30. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 05:40, 05, 05, 2012
Is there a conclusion related to this concern? ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 07:50, 14, 05, 2012
Just curiousEdit
Will Leafstar's image stay as a queen since she still has kits, or be a leader since she's still doing leader duties? *w* Skt Knock knock 03:38, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
I'd really like it to go back to being leader... For personal reasons of loving the leader image, and because she seems to be a leader first and foremost, and has stuck to her leader duties as well as nursing her kits. So yeah, I'm in favor of switching it to leader. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 04:48, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Shelly. I'm up for changing it. Keℓsey taℓk 18:09,4/30/2012
I also am agreeing with Shelly. ♪ROWANFLIGHT♪Talk to me! 21:36, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
I agree with the above--☆⒨⒪⒪⒩⒮⒣⒤⒩⒠☆ 22:14, April 30, 2012 (UTC)Moonshine
The thing is, she's still both a queen and a leader. Both images have every right to be her main image since she is equally both. Ibly Oh yeah!!! 22:16, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
Well...her kits can't stay kits forever. Eventually, they'll grow up. But...-edges away- My opinion, anyway. MoonehGoodbye, everyone... 08:05, 05 01, 2012
There's a coding thingie on another wiki that I visit that's kinda like the tab code but in the user box (Like [[2]]. We could do that, so her main charart can swap between queen and leader. Scarletwind Fire is Catching The Mockingjay 02:24, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
That could be incredibly cool. Let's do that. :3 Shelly ALLONS-Y! 02:27, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
Oh! We could also use it for the daylight warriors! Can Shelly please make the template? 8D Shelly ALLONS-Y! 02:33, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
Better you than me (Scar fails at coding xD) Fire away! Scarletwind Fire is Catching The Mockingjay 02:35, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
sounds like a great idea! And it'd definitely work for the daylight warriors. It's amazing what you can find from looking on other wikis. :P Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 16:37, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
Alright guys, just an update. Kit, Atelda, and I worked together and the switch template is currently set up here. However, the charcat template still needs to be tweaked to compensate for this template, so it can't be used until that's done. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 22:42, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
That looks great! I think this should be left up to another project though, since it isn't really our job to make templates... o3o —Preceding unsigned comment added by DJCandyBud (talk • contribs)
It isn't working for me, or is it not working period? WildfireThe past is gone. 19:31, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
It's not working yet. The charcat needs to be updated so it can manage characters who have one picture while also managing those who have two. AteldaKony 2012 21:28, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
Onestar (and possibly others....) Edit
He was shown as a brown tabby with cream markings on page 48 of CotC. Now, he had an alt, but it was removed for apparently being part of the whole pale marking thing. However, pale, cream and white are not the same thing, are they? Should Onestar's alt be restored and re-added? Now, I'm no expert on genetics and all of that fun stuff, but, I don't think cream comes anywhere close to pale... Suggestions? Keℓsey taℓk 22:14,5/5/2012
I'm not sure but I think they are different pale could mean anything, pale golden, pale yellow, pale brown, etc. Cream means cream. WildfireThe past is gone. 23:54, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
I think it's fine. Pale markings are really just lighter markings than the rest of the coat. The cream was lighter than the brown, do I'm pretty sure it counts as pale. Breezewhisker 02:53, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
Pale is a lighter color, but cream is something different. So, you're saying if a ginger tabby would be depicted with cream markings (unrealistic, I know, but go along with it), it would be the same as a cat with pale markings? I really don't quite get that. It just seems a little weird. Cream and pale aren't the same thing. x.x Keℓsey taℓk 02:56,5/6/2012
Now that you mention it Cloudy, cream is different than pale. Pale means a lighter shade of any color. Cream has it's own color, and I think it should be an alt. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 03:04, 06, 05, 2012
Are you sure that Onestar's picture is brown and cream? Looking at it now, it could easily just be white.
But having legitimate white markings is a lot different than just having lighter colored fur on the chest or belly like a standard tabby. I think you're right, Cloudy. It probably should be re-added. Breezewhisker 03:10, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
If Onestar is brown then your assuming that pale in that case would mean pale brown? In that case, cream is completely different. Sincerely: ChanCharm 05:28, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
If Chan is right in it being pale brown, then it might be considered the same as cream. I googled images of the two colors and found that there was a very subtle difference. So it might depend on your depiction of the two colors.--.Bossman, OSD: Obsessive Spottedleaf disorder 00:00, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
It actually should be restored. Cream is its own color, and Onestar was not brown with pale marking when he was shown, but brown and cream. Dazzle~♪ 14:22, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
Since we seem to have a general agreement here... we should put the alt back up. :3 ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 07:50, 14, 05, 2012
Things That Are Artist's ChoiceEdit
I was checking through the guidelines and noticed *unless I'm blind* they didn't say anything about what exactly is artist's choice on a charart. Shouldn't they be established and added for future members/refrence? ♡Pouncey!♡ 21:52, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
Fur length (unless it's WindClan or RiverClan), eye color, pale underbellies, shading placement, ect. Keℓsey taℓk 21:54,5/6/2012
It doesn't need to be added to the guidelines. I'm confident that you guys can figure out what's artist's choice or not, and if it isn't we'll tell you. ❦loonie never let go, jack ❤ 21:56, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
I was just thinking it should be added because it would be a lot easier then repeating it to who-knows-how many new users each time they ask.. ♡Pouncey!♡ 00:40, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
I find nothing wrong with a small section of the guidelines being added that says what exactly is artist's choice and what isn't. When I first joined, I had someone tell me (not sure who) that the default eye color was blue for characters that didn't have an eye color that was cited. I didn't actually know there wasn't a specific color until months later. Keℓsey taℓk 05:52,5/11/2012
There's no harm done, but I'm not sure it's fully necessary. Most of the things that are the artists choice is scattered throughout the whole guidelines, but it probably would help other users. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 07:23, 14, 05, 2012
One Last Proposal Before I Go Edit
Ah, hey guys. something came to mind right after I posted my message... and I couldn't ignore it. I'll just be making this proposal and leaving you guys to deal with it how you see fit.
It's pretty simple. I think there should be a chart on the front page of PCA with blank slots for users not in the project to use to reserve chararts if they wish to do so without joining.
So have fun with that. Shelly ALLONS-Y! 02:18, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
I could've sworn that you could just add yourself into the chart (not the members table, though). It's what I did a year and half-odd ago. ❦loonie never let go, jack ❤ 02:21, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
That's what I did when I first found PCa too. I made a charart or two and just added my name without joining. Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 03:36, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, but having a second chart would make it more obvious to users that they can do that. Many don't have a clue. 108.4.1.7 04:33, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's necessary. Even though most users aren't so good with coding, they could always ask a lead, and we rarely get non-member users to offer charart. :/ ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 06:50, 07, 05, 2012
"Rarely" doesn't mean "never". I don't see any problem with having an open slot on the reservation chart. It'd be better then having the user think they need too join, submit one charart, then be removed due to inactivity. ♡Pouncey!♡ 18:42, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
Sure, there's no problem in having it up there, but it still could be hard to work... But that's just my opinion. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 07:50, 14, 05, 2012
Well, the second chart would certainly make it easier to keep track if non-members wanted to do a charart but wouldn't want to join/haven't joined yet. I guess it sounds like a pretty good idea. Dazzle~♪ 10:01, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
PCA's Blanks have been Stolen :OEdit
http://warriorscatsfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Warriors_Fanon_Wiki <--- This wiki,
used PCA's leader blanks, without permission from an admin.
Evidence:
http://warriorscatsfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Whitestar_WhiskerClan
http://warriorscatsfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Burnedheart_OceanClan
Users responsible are Aniju Aura and Burnedstar.
Please look into this situation.
Thanks!
-{{SUBST:Template:4pinkbearsiggie}} 20:30, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
Realism? Redos? Tweaks? Edit
Okay. So as we know, PCA has been trying hard to make/redo/tweak images to look realistic. I understand that realism is important-it gives our veiwers a better sense of what a warriors character could look in real life, or so. There have been many debates and discussion so far about realistic images and non-realistic images. First, traingle tabbies aren't accepted in PCA anymore. Second, wavy tabbies, y-tabbies.
We are working to get realistic tabbies, right?
The only thing is that, there are only so little kinds of tabbies that are natural/realistic. I personally think that we should be able to make different kinds of tabbies (not triangle or Y-tabbies, however), that are personalized so that that tabby represents you're style of tabbies. See, art is not perfect, not bad. As this is something that requires creativity and art, I think that we shouldn't be too serious about these things (this is just my opinion, I'm not demanding for PCA to be like this...), like realism. Also, well, some people just may be better in a certain kind of charart (like tabby tortie, bi-color, ect..), but in a different style they may have more trouble with. All PCA members try their absolute best in my opinion, so if somebody just isn't the best at torties (like me) or so, I think we shouldn't redo their images...But keep them in honor of the artist's hard work for PCA. Redoing images...I'm not sure if that's always the best idea. With tweaking, that's different. You improve the image while still keeping the OA's style so it could still be seen. Also, styles should be artist's choice...right?
I also kinda think that sometimes, we take the realism thing too far...*sighs*
Pretty much, I think that we should perhaps have a page that says what qualifies for a redo. I'd like to have less redoing of images, so we could still honor the OA's image, but it could still be tweaked and still have the OA's style there (or just a similar style). What I think that would qualify for a redo would be: Triangle tabby (full triangle tabby, not counting modified), Y-tabby, and an image that is just...Not done properly or completed (extremely blotchy shading).
Also...Images that may not be realistic fully, but still fine, would just be tweaks.
Sorry if I wasn't clear on all of this, I wasn't concentrating too much...So, Feedback, opinions, and suggestions? StoneyTalk 06:48, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
I think we might have taken this a bit too far too. Although I like realism, in my experience; users who view images don't really pay much attention to realism, just how the character looks pretty much. I'd try to make it as realistic and creative as possible, but we can't help it to redo triangle and y tabbies like Stoney said. Giving it some thought, I think Silverstream's and Jake's tabby style, there probally would be more tweaks, was okay. (Even though I <3333 the newer images too) but eh, that's my thoughts. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 09:02, 09, 05, 2012
Yup! All images are epic in they're own way! And yeah, I think that newer users/anons pay more attention to the charart's style, but that doesn't mean that we can't neglect realism. Yeah, I guess we're not taking it too far with the realism, however, I just feel that we should honor the OA's hard work a bit more by redoing less images, but more tweaking. StoneyTalk 15:03, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
I don't think we'be taken the realism thing too far... There's still a lot of chararts that get approved now-a-days that aren't exactly possible in the real world. I personally think the rules (for lack of a better word) for redos should be higher and more focused on things like; triangular tabbies, y-tabbies, not fitting the characters description, overblurred areas, ect. Of course no art can be bad. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But we can't focus so much on what looks good rather then what is realistic. Yes, anons and visitors arent going to be looking for 100% realistic art on the characters pages, but that doesn't mean we need to ignore realism and just keep the chararts that look the best. I don't exactly understand how we can tweak images instead of redoing them if they qualify for a redo. Maybe smudge the stripes? I know when I look at my cat I see pointed stripes, but they're way to smudged within his pelt. So maybe we can start doing things like that instead of redoing them completely? Just my thoughts/opinions. ♡Pouncey!♡ 18:05, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
Mhmm. I don't believe that redoing some completely is always right. Yeah, we should redo triangle and y-tabbies, but with the smudge tool, it's actually possible to make the stripes look more realistic than unrealistic. StoneyTalk 18:11, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
I don't exactly agree with some of the redoing either. I've seen some chararts get redone simply because the artist didn't like it, which is why I suggested the higher stakes *having a bad wording day* for redoing. And the smudging tool could be an easy solution for not redoing so many images. A tabby's pattern is almost never so perfect and defined as we draw them here. ♡Pouncey!♡ 18:49, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, we need to make hit harder to qualify for a redo. I think that, besides realism, there needs to be at least something else that needs redoing, like bad shading or things along those lines, before it can be redone. It's kinda sad when some of these gorgeous chararts are given a total rehaul because they have some marking that can't exist. Breezewhisker 01:54, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
I think the smudging is a good ground for a tweak. But sometimes we can't help it if we need to redo anothers charart. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 08:26, 10, 05, 2012
Calling Tweaks? Edit
I'd like to adress a problem with the calling tweaks/redo thing. So, if a user nominates an image, they can get dibs on that image if they want to. I'm sorry, but don't think it's right. If you reserve an image first before another user, then you get it fair and square. And when calling dibs, a different user may want to redo that image (since it may have been sitting there for a long time), but the user who called dibs may have not even done it yet, but left it sitting there. So, the nominator may have called dibs on a lot of images, but has so many to do that many of the images sit there. And we were discussing about how the number of tweaks and redos on the list gets pretty high at times. One factor of the list piling up so much is the calling of tweaks and redos. Images sometimes sit there for months because the nominator called it but didn't do it, and another user may have been wanting to do that image long time ago.
So, pretty much, I think that calling dibs on tweaks and redos should not be should not be a guideline or so. If you get an image, you get it fair and square, and you can let the nominator have the image out of kindnes, not because of a rule.
Thoughts and comments? StoneyTalk 20:09, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure... I think that if you actually go around and find an image that you think should be redone/tweaked then you kinda deserve it if it passes. Plus I thought we had a rule about only having a week to do an image that you claimed? O.o Or was that never approved/finalized? or am I just seeing things? x.e ♡Pouncey!♡ 20:17, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
I think the system works pretty well as it is. If someone wants an image when they claim it, they should reserve it when it's archived. If not, anyone can go in there and reserve out because it wouldn't be on the table (Oh, and don't call me out on the whole "but-the-person-who-claimed-it-should-still-get-it-because-they-can't-be-expected-to-sit-there-and-stare-at-the-tweak-nomination-page". Because what I just said takes place after a few days, not minutes, giving the claimer plenty of time to find and reserve their image). I really hope that made sense. ❦loonie never let go, jack ❤ 20:28, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
I think if you claim it, you should have one week to do the image. If not, then it's fair game for everyone. After all, you may have other images that are being worked on when that's being nominated. Keℓsey taℓk 20:30,5/9/2012
Hmm...I agree with you Cloudy. That would work. StoneyTalk 21:33, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
I think they should have to reserve in on the reservation table within the next 24 hours, also. Otherwise you might have conflicts with the whole "I said I wanted to do this image..." stuff when the other artist had just picked it off the redo/tweak list. It would also keep people from claiming if they've already had three images on the table. Breezewhisker 01:48, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
What cloudy said, about having a week to do it, is already in place. Nothing to change really. Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 02:28, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, you do have one week to do it, otherwise it's open to anyone. I also think that after archiving an image, once you put it into the Tweak/Redo section, you add the reason for tweak/redo and next to that you might add "Reserved to [[User:USERNAME|USERNAME]], 10 May 2012, and it should be a senior warriors duty (or anyone's duty) to add and remove that reservation thing. Just a suggestion but yeah. Also, if you already have two tweaking projects, you shouldn't call dibs on an image. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 08:39, 10, 05, 2012
I've been suggesting that to Cloudy for a while too DJ. I just never got around to proposing it. XD So I agree completely. Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 14:59, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree too. ^^ I'm tired of having to look through archives just to find out if someone claimed the tweak/redo or not... StoneyTalk 19:28, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
I agree as well. It would make it much easier to see who called what tweaks, and maybe either after they reserved it or after a week it could be taken down... Dazzle~♪ 23:44, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
Mistake Edit
Sorry
I'm sorry that I had other cats in the gallery. My frend had not told me that rule. And i'm new here. Please forgive me, I'm sorry. Should I be banned or not from this mistake? Should it be from only here or there, or both places? Please write back
Sincerely,
'''''[[Willowflower]]'''''
Willowflower 19:48, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
I want to get in. Edit
How do I get in to make Charart for the wiki? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leapkit (talk • contribs)
Hawkfrost's gray altEdit
In The Last Hope, Hawkfrost is called a gray tom and got an alt. warrior image for that. But he was dead and in the Dark Forest at that time, so shouldn't it be an alt. rogue instead? Bluestar Leaf flying in the wind 22:17, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
Wow, that's a good point... I think he should and that warrior be deleted, but Leaf-storm should get claim to the rogue. ❦loonie never let go, jack ❤ 22:27, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
Well, for first, hi guys..It was long time i wasnt here..hmm, if I can, I make the rogue char for him.. Leafstorm I'm gonna eat you}} 12:12, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
Please Answer! Edit
Hey PCA kittehs,
Ish me, Stripehstripe.... Anyway, how in the name of StarClan do I join? D: So... thats my only question...
Bai,
*Christmaswing* 04:13, May 14, 2012 (UTC)*Christmaswing*
All you have to do is add a section like this:
==Christmaswing ~ Join Request== BerryGradients, gradients... 09:23, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
DisappearanceEdit
Hi everyone, I'd just like to apologize for my sudden disappearance. My computer, a few weeks ago, became really slow and soon enough, just completely broke, so it was hard to get onto here. It has just been repaired, but I've lost everything on it, so now it has to be restored too... (I'm posting this from another comptuer, by the way)
I see I have been removed from the list and I understand why... I think I will rejoin when my computer is ready. Though since I was removed, I'll become a warrior again, right?
Well, I guess we'll see what happens... bye guys, and sorry for not being there for the project. It really bums me out that I missed a lot. Ivyheart =P 01:01, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
D'awww, good lucky with your computer, Ivy! We'll miss you c: ♪ROWANFLIGHT♪Talk to me! 03:58, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
Crap, you weren't supposed to be removed. XD That was fault on my part, I read your last post about not being able to take the news anymore wrong, and I thought you said you were leaving, not you weren't. *fails* Would you like me to add you back in, or just leave it till your computer's fixed again? either way, as Rowan said, good luck fixing it, and we look forward to your return. Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 12:16, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, and no, you should be a Senior warrior when you return. One; because you weren't supposed to be removed in the first place, and two; I don't think we ever came to a full agreement that senior warriors who leave get added back as warriors. Paℓeh Iship CloudyxTurtle 12:17, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
Oh. xD I think I'll rejoin soon, but not now- my computer is missing Photoshop and GIMP, so those need to be added back in... :3 10.8.56.52 00:25, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
Dx See ya Ivy! Re Join soon! And yes, you'll be a SW. ÐĴĆąńđÿĦēăřť♥ ☯Keep the peace and love<3☮ 07:58, 16, 05, 2012
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