Take it to the approval page
Take it to the tweak page
Queen Blanks Edit
These have been bothering me for quite some time, and I would like to suggest a redo of them. While they accurately represent the belly of a pregnant cat, the rest of the anatomy on these has several faults, mainly on the front legs, chest, neck, and head. The back legs are also slightly off. Something more like this or this would better represent a pregnant cat. -Raelic Through the Ghost 04:49, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
Sure, why not? The anatomy is definitely off. A tweak would be preferable in my opinion, as it would save time, but if it cannot be salvaged then I guess a total redo would be in order. Shelly For a limited time only 05:43, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
I demand that all queen images be replaced with this. Shelly For a limited time only 05:46, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
The queen blanks have been irking me for ages...from the off-ness (what is good wording) of the shoulder and chest areas to the long-hair's underbite, they need to be fixed. Berry ...now what? 06:26 Tue Apr 9
I suggested a tweak of the queen blanks a long time ago and it was shot down, I don't know why you guys are changing your minds now. If we're tweaking blanks, then why don't you tweak the warrior and deputy blanks as well? A tail is an extension of the spine and don't shoot straight out of their bums like an arrow, and the longhaired tails on those look odd. You can't do one thing on one blanks and not another Yo! 06:34, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
Likely when you first proposed it there were different people in the project, Ivy. It's nothing against you that it's being proposed again now. And I believe we should take the blanks one step at a time...unless a forum should be made with all the blanks on it and we could just have people go through and comment on all of them with their critiques for, say, two weeks? Then artists could be found and the images tweaked from there. I suppose we might as well go all out while we're at it.
Anyway, back to the queen blanks, I don't think that it's worth it to tweak them, and would probably save time by redoing them because of how many queen images there are in the first place. Unless the person that did the image had the file, tweaking all those patterns to fit into the new lineart would be difficult and time consuming. But I supposed we could always vote on it and the artist like we always do. -Raelic Through the Ghost 13:55, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
I have nothing against redoing the queen blanks; though I'm no anatomy expert either. Agrees with Cloudeh ^^ They are a butt to shade... >.< ScarletwindWibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey stuff… 02:48, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
I'm still not convinced, but as per the norm, the majority is against me. Do whatever you want, but please still make sure that the artist is up for vote and we have an option for no change, because I really don't see what's wrong with them. Yo! 16:52, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
Of course, Ivy. If we did it any other way, it wouldn't be fair to you, and possibly others, who do not want to see anything happen to the blanks. It's the only right way to do it, and the voting will go like the rogue, loner, and /adult/ StarClan blanks. It's really the only way to ensure that everyone gets their say. —Garrus ღ 17:05, 4/17/2013
Well, Icy, we can always do what we did with the rogue blanks, and have a section for someone to tweak the blank, and see how people vote. It doesn't need to be redone if that's what the people vote on. —Garrus ღ 17:30, 4/17/2013
Since there have been no objections to editing the blanks at all, may I go ahead and set up a vote? The option is always there to just tweak or leave the blanks, like always. x3 -Raelic Through the Ghost 20:44, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
I say a tweak/redo, whatever it may be, would be a great idea, considering the current anatomy of the blank. I've noticed the discussion hasn't been touched on since the 17th so I figured I'd comment heheh. —Fernflight Doctor... Who? 21:21, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
So what's going on with this? I hate to ask again, but shall we set up a forum for an artist vote, or do we want to first vote on whether we want to do anything with the blanks in the first place? -Raelic Through the Ghost 04:27, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
Set up a forum vote, with an option to leave the blanks as they are. If enough agree to leave the queen blanks as they are, then so be it, and stay they will. It's how we've done it in the past, I believe. —Garrus ღ 04:29, 4/28/2013
*cough*kinda shoulda been announced in the news*cough* Whad'you guys think of extending the date till voting and putting it in the news so people'll have a little more chance to see it? I know I certainly had no clue it was up yet. And I know it was the same with at least a couple others. Would be nice if we could extend it a bit.
Tweak Nomination Voting - Warriors?Edit
Hi, all! Because it seems as though the discussion was archived without a conclusion despite a relatively clear consensus, I'm bringing it up again. I propose that warriors should be able to vote on tweaks and the number of votes needing to pass should be raised to five. Atelda 21:09, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, please. I agree with this, and always have. A good portion of the warriors are skilled and knowledgeable enough to be able to vote properly on nominations, and with raising the vote requirement to five instead of three, things could be a little better. If this does go into effect, those currently on the page would not be affected by this change, however. That's not fair. I actually closed the nominations because of the massive amount of things on that page...so perhaps we can open that up again after everything's settled? —Garrus ღ 21:21, 4/23/2013
I agree with this, not because I'm a warrior, but because it might speed things up a bit and benefit the project. Right now only about five of the SWs consistently vote on the nominations, and with some active warriors thrown in it would make nominations sit on the page for smaller amounts of time than they currently are. x3 -Ducksauce 22:07, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
I'm with Duck. Like, we've got tons more warriors, and they have experience. They've the judgement to tell if an image is fine or not. It'd speed thing up a lot. Canadia~ Sirius is hiding... 22:42, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
I agree also, ya'll took the words right out of my mouth. Thistle 23:51, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
I totally agree. Besides, those guys are also the ones tweaking the images along with SW's. They should have a say in what they have the ability to tweak. —Leggo QuailXStoat 00:11, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
I agree with this idea, but if I remember correctly, last time this was discussed it went all the way to a vote...only for it to be suddenly decided that there needed to be more qualifications for a warrior to vote - the main one being that they'd done at least a tweak or two. I feel it should be asked if we'd still want any qualifications other than being a warrior, just so we don't go so far and change our minds again. -Raelic Through the Ghost 04:24, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
Do you think that the warrior should have some sort of experience in tweaking before they can vote? That way, they should have some knowledge of what will happen to this image with the tweak, and perhaps understand what else needs to happen to the image. So, like a requirement of two tweaks and one redo, or something of that manner? I am with this idea; however I think adding some requirements to it will give me a little more of the peace of mind I have with SW's voting. ➤Knight Chasing after gold mines 17:48, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
I think raising the voting to five would be enough to check each others' opinions, plus keeping track of all the warriors who have done tweaks and redos seems something of a nuisance. Atelda 17:56, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
I agree with 'teldy on the requirements, imo it would be an unneeded nuisance, besides that, in order to become a warrior you need three originals, so I think that that's requirement enough. -Ducksauce 23:01, May 4, 2013 (UTC)
Well I personally would like new warriors to go through one tweak before being able to vote. Most new warriors are very unfamiliar with tweaking and what's entailed in it when they are made a warrior. I don't think they'd need to do anything more than one, but making sure they have a little experience on tweaking would be good. Easier to judge what can be done as a tweak, what needs to be a redo, and all that.
And how are you going to figure that out and keep track of all the warriors voting? Also, it really depends on what tweak they do. You can't tell what needs to be a tweak and what should be a redo by just gray scaling, or even shading due to the other elements of the image. Plus, I stick with my thoughts that requiring five votes for a nomination to pass is plenty enough to keep in check the warriors. Atelda 19:29, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
I suppose you have a point. I do think it'd be good for them to have experience before being able to vote, but I guess it would be too much trouble if you had to keep track of what kind of tweak they did. I still think it really wouldn't be that hard at all to keep track of who's finished one tweak, but you have a point in how it really depends what kind of tweak they're doing whether it helps give them experience to know what to vote on or not. *shrugs*
Limit on claiming tweaks Edit
Hi all~ I don't mean to point at a few users, because I've seen this since I've been on the wiki, but I propose that we have a limit on claiming tweak nominations, some users have gone through and claimed four and over tweaks, that other users should have an equal opportunity to claim. I propose that we have, let's say, a three claim limit, unless you're the OA, of course. x3 -Ducksauce 03:12, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
Well, it's already supposed to be that a user can't have more than one image reserved for approval and two for tweak/redo. Claiming a tweak is really just reserving an image and I believe two or three is what the unwritten rule for claiming images has always been - unless it's in a set or you're the OA of all of them. Shall we just go to adding it into the guidelines, then? -Raelic Through the Ghost 06:00, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
I agree with that. If you're the OA, then you're allowed to claim the image so it's easier to tweak, and if they're in a set- so everything matches, ect, things like that. I see no problems with adding it to the guidelines. —Garrus ღ 06:02, 5/12/2013
Blank Time Limit Edit
So I don't believe we ever completely came to a conclusion on this before, and since the queen blanks may be putting up soon, I figure this would be a good time. Do you guys think there should be a time limit on how long blanks can be up, and if so, how long do you think would be good? I believe we were debating between anywhere from 2 months to 6. And while on this topic, what should be done if we decide on giving them a time limit and they get declined? Should another vote be held, should there be rules requiring an edit of the blank already up or keeping the same pose, and how will we regulate how much they can change it after taking over? Thoughts guys? Let's try and get something worked out for this before the queen blanks are posted.
I think four months is ample enough time to have for the blanks. It's a good, even, in between number. I also think that if they do get declined, it should be discussed whether or not to keep the same blank. Since we did vote on a specific blank, it's unfair to the original artist of the blanks to see their image go to waste like that. If they do, a revote is the only /fair/ way. That way someone else doesn't come in and totally change everything, thus changing the blanks that were voted on. —Garrus ღ 17:57, 5/12/2013
- Honestly, I don't think we should have a set limit of time until blanks are declined. I think it'd be quite unfair to the artist if their blanks are declined when they were just an upload away from being CBAed, plus, as we saw on the last blanks, lineart can go for days without being commented on or CBAed, and people work at their own pace with art. We shouldn't punish artists just because they don't have time to work on it 24/7 or because users aren't commenting, therefore a set time limit probably should not be resorted to.
- Instead, how about just a simple call from a few users, lets say three or even two (I'd rather not have a certain ranking or higher on this since there is all chance of possibility that a user not even in PCA knows the complete dynamics of cat anatomy). If the blanks seem as though they're taking too long or they're not progressing well after a beneficial time period, the two-three users could either comment on the lineart/the PCA talk page and suggest a vote or they could just set up a vote so long as there are two-three senior warriors who are willing to signature the forum. Should the lineart go to a vote, I think it would be best if there are the options to: keep the lineart the current artist is working on and allow them to continue working on it, open it up to new lineart entries, or keeping the lineart the same (and potentially a section where users could provide tweaks that the artist can use with their jurisdiction but of course that opens up potential issues with cooperation and such).
- I'd also be open to an time of immunity to this, potentially a month or two, implementing a type of laissez-faire policy on the new blanks where users may not suggest a re-vote due to insufficient time of observation. Atelda 01:57, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
In Cats of the Clans, Sandstorm is shown without stripes on her page, as well as she looks closer to ginger than pale ginger. Would she get an alt for that? Thistle 19:33, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
I should think so, but I'm not sure; who else has seen Sand in cotc?♞⛄ I'm watching you... 21:10, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
Looking at the picture, she appears on somewhat of an angle. The light appears to be behind her. But she does look plain ginger, not pale ginger. I think she could get the Alt. for it. Raven ♫On with the Show♫ 21:19 Fri May 24
Alt for TawnypeltEdit
I was just looking at Thistle's question on an alt for Sandstorm, and I checked my kindle Cats of the Clans to have a look, when I accidently pressed on a part that took me to Tawnypelt; and she is shown with a white muzzle, chest, paws and a part of her tail, and her page states that she does not have any white on her fur. Does this warrant an alt? ♞⛄ I'm watching you... 20:39, May 18, 2013 (UTC)
Hi. not very familiar here, but may i join anyways? Is there some sort of experience i need to be here?
I gave it a new heading so it's more visible. Of course you can join, experience or no. Make sure you read our guidelines, and, if you need them, check out the mentor program and apprentice tutorials. -Raelic Through the Ghost17:15 Wed May 22 2013
Beebs says that I may need to files to tweak Grasskit's base pelt, and since Beebs hasen't replied yet and its been a few days since I asked, I'm asking here. How do I get the files? ♞⛄ I'm watching you... 14:49, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
Shattered Ice Alt?Edit
As shown, Shattered Ice is a gray-and-white pelted cat. However, in page 219 of The Sun Trail, it describes him as silver furred in the following sentence: He caught a glimpse of one of the creatures with his fangs sunk deep in Shattered Ice's shoulder, shaking the silver-furred tom as if he was a piece of prey. Would he get an alt for that? Bbunlegs 21:19, May 24, 2013 (UTC)