Sandstorm - Declined

[[File:Sandstorm2.png|left]] Since Squirrelflight was approved, I thought I try my hand at Sandstorm. I think I might need to redo her outline though. Make comments as you please.-- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 20:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Shimmerpool, I made this its own section. First, it is too small an image. We also already have a Sandstorm for approval. swifty{ASTRX} 20:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I know it shrank for some odd reason when I uploaded it and I'm trying to figure out why! But there has been two images before for the same cats though, I've seen it. -- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 01:55, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm already working on Sandstorm, and the only time I ever saw two images of the same cat up for approval was when Redflare put Sorreltail up for approval, and SxF (who didn't much understand PCA in the first place) put up another one because she wanted the file-format on Redflare's changed. Both were declined. I'll have to ask Kitsu, but I don't think you're supposed to do this. GB 23:01, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, have Kitsu put this in the declined archive instead of removing it from the page. GB 02:04, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

We've never had a full conflict like this, though this one isn't acceptable due to not downloading the full sized blank (It's in the instructions, people! Gotta read those things. I don't type that stuff for my health.). Basically, though, priority would go to the one that began the process first, IMO. It never occurred to me that we would need a rule that says "If someone's got a picture of a cat in approvals, don't bother submiting that same character"... I'll write up something official soon.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 02:31, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Leader Blanks - Declined


Hi, I'm back again with some blanks! I hope they're OK! --Leopardstar's Ultimate fan 21:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, these are more anime style, very bland, and quite small, as well as inconsistent eye design. But good effort. --FxC **The Waterfall** 00:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

They look more like dogs than cats. GB 00:14, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

They're kind of.. circleclish. I've read that a cat's head is square.Mallinois 02:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I see. Sorry! --Leopardstar's Ultimate fan 13:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Currently these simply don't meet the expectation for realism that we have. As for the shape of a cats' head... It does vary with type, but from an artistic standpoint a square won't get you something that looks truly feline. (I've made enough blanks in my time to know this, most of mine are for CoSC and on Devart, though. I've only done the kitten for here). Also: I tweaked how the blanks where being displayed to make 'em hang out more clearly with the proper comments. It's a good effort, and we appreciate it... But a lot of work will have to be done before they're anywhere near acceptable. We're looking for something more realistic. I'm going to decline these while you take some time to improve them (The anatomy needs a lot of work, too much to be honest to keep things here at this point). Feel free to resubmit once you've improved them, allright?  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 15:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Feathertail - Declined

[[File:Feathertail.gif|left]] After a bit of work i've come up with this pic. This is my first tabby and I appreciate any suggestions for improvement. -- FxC** The Waterfall** 23:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC) It's good,but I think that the abby markings should be lighter.--JayfeatherSong of Storms 00:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Here is the updated version. How do you guys like it now? -- FxC** The Waterfall** 13:37, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Looks better!I like it.--JayfeatherSong of Storms 13:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... it looks pretty good, but if you look closely, there are some faint white spots. Are those supposed to be there? Grocery(Grocery store,Cart) 00:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

GB, do you mean the lighter parts? That's the shading. Sorry if you misunderstood. You'll see on some pixels, Brambleclaw for instance, that the shading is like that. -- FxC** The Waterfall** 01:05, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I think she looks like what she should look like.A mix between Gray and Silver,even though she has Silver's pelt color.--JayfeatherSong of Storms 13:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Jay. Do you know where Kitsu is? -- FxC** The Waterfall** 13:58, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

If that's supposed to be there, than I think you did a great job on this one, FxC. Grocery(Grocery store,Cart) 00:56, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the great comments, guys. As soon as Gorse and Kitsu approve, I'll put it on the page. -- FxC * The Waterfall* 13:41, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I can't approve it as is. But I will say that you've got a great start and I just have a little thing that needs tweaking. The tabby markings look completely drawn on, and not like a part of the pelt. Mayhaps blend them in just a touch so the edges of the markings are a bit softer.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 16:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey Kitsu, I blurred the tabby markings. Whaddya think now? --FxC **The Waterfall** 13:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
It's looking great. Mind if I get a little extra specific? The shading looks like markings on her. Maybe buff out the edges a bit so they don't have any sort of hard edge. Shade, shade, shade, Blend, blend, blend. That's my mantra.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 12:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
How do you like it now? --FxC **The Waterfall** 13:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if they're blended, but some of the tabby markings look like they're melting. GB 02:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Some of the markings are blended, some arn't. Shoot for a more consistent quality in the look of the markings, please.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 14:38, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Better? --FxC **The Waterfall** 12:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Much. Now... Just a touch more shading and I'd call it done. Great work.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 00:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
It's been almost 2 weeks and there hasn't been so much as a comment indicating progress or added progress. I'll have to decline it, but it's with the understanding that you'll resubmit once further progress is made. I'm just trying to keep clutter down. Will be archiving this shortly.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 17:24, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Spiderleg - Withdrawn by User

[[File:Spiderleg.png|left]] I drew Spiderleg. Any constructive criticism is welcome. GB 16:57, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Siderleg has extra long legs I think, and also, try to add some shading.--JKO 20:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll try and do something about the legs, but he has shading. GB 21:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I can't do anything about the legs; when I tried, I almost stretched him to death, and I made him blurry! GB 22:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thats really good,it just needs shading and longer legs.I personally don't see any shading. If you want longer legs,can you cut somewhere,paste that somewhere,then draw a bit for the legs,then add the other part?--JayfeatherSheikah 21:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

What you're asking for, Sheikah... It's a major affair rather than something so simple. For it to look right the back legs and back would need to be almost completely redrawn. GB... Blending and shading are needed. And a less fluorescent shade for the inside of the ears. Not a bad start, though.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 16:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
I believe you mean Jayfeather, Kitsu ;)––Σulãlíã{{Talk!}} 23:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
P Yeah.Jay or Jayfeather.Sheikah has a nice ring to it though.SHeikah,the tribe of ninja-like people from Zelda OoT.That should be a nickname!--JayfeatherSheikah 01:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Re-uploaded Spiderleg. GB 23:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I tried to blend the brown a little. GB 01:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the shading on the brown part is great, jut needs to be blurred. The black shading, I must say, looks like a marking on the pelt, a marking that is not blurred correctly, to boot. --FxC **The Waterfall** 13:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hm, I thought I took care of those problems. Okay, I'll get on it, GB 13:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hope this looks better. GB 15:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

The brown patch on the chest needs to be blended in, right now it looks like he laid in some brown paint. Also, around the ears and in a couple of other spots it looks like the flood-fill escaped the boundaries of the lineart. And the pink circle of the inside of the really needs to get shaped properly to look natural and blended into the actual image.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 14:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

The eyes on Spiderleg are amber, not yellowMallinois 21:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

When asking for color, marking or other similar changes, please provide citation information for where in the books are coming from.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 02:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
See Allegiances Midnight.––Σulãlíã459 678 05:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm working on all of these images, but it might take a couple of days. GB 01:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Re-uploaded. GB 01:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it looks good, but mabye some more blending on the brown patch would be good. Plus, if you want to try making long legs, try extending the leg outlines upward into the body. Other than that, it looks good. But it's up to Gorse and Kitsu now.Mallinois 14:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll go with the blending, but as Kitsu said above, making his legs longer would involve re-drawing the linearr; it isn't really necessery. GB 16:32, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

How's this? GB 17:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Still looking unnatural in a lot of places. Blending is still needed. As is more shading. Mallinois, extending the legs is not a simple thing given the pose the character is in. The anatomy of the image will be screwed up if the elbow is just raised, but with the sitting pose, the entire image would have to be redrawn to make that work.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 15:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I used the smudge tool a bit. How does he look? GB 16:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

It dosen't show, unfortunately. The shading is still un-blended, the inside of the ear is still extremely unnaturally pink and totally un-integrated. The shading is still incomplete, also. Only sections have any shading attempting to create definition and 3Dness. I honestly want to suggest that you withdraw all but one of your images, figure out one, and then come back to the others. Right now you're spread over a bunch of peices and just arn't getting to take the time to really perfect any one because you're spread so thin.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 17:28, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm focusing all of my attention on Briarkit. GB 23:59, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Rowanclaw - Declined

[[File:Rowanclaw.gif|left]] I had a go at Rowanclaw. What do you think?--JKO 01:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Awesome,but it needs shading of course.I love the little part between the legs.It looks cool.--JayfeatherSheikah 01:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Made the shading more visible. Personally, I think it looks a lot better.--JKO 02:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

A very nice start. But right now the shading is just hugging the outlines, leaving the image looking flat. You're looking to create depth and realism in the image with the shading, along with visual interest. You might also want to add the tabby 'M' to the forehead, since all red cats are technically also tabby in reality, even those that appear solid have the 'M'. But that's not strictly necessary, I'm just a psycho like that.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 12:36, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The tabby 'M'? What is that? --JKO 14:20, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

It's the pattern of stripes on a tabby's head that looks like an M. --Bramble Bramble's Realm 01:12, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Are you saying he is a tabby? All he is listed as is A ginger tom (or she-cat), no tabby. Should I add it or not? I've never done tabby, so I won't be very good at it.--JKO 14:50, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, I added another version. Unfortunately, with GIMP this is about the best I can get with shading, but if there are any more issues I can try.--JKO 15:01, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Without full shading... I simply can't accept it, Jakko...  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 13:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'm clueless in this shading game. Can anyone tell me where shading is definately needed?--JKO 20:11, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I think he could use just a little shading along his back, as well as his chest-area. His tail looks fine, because you can't get much shading on those tails. GB 23:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

GB is the only one that knows were shading is needed? I will try to add more shading.--JKO 20:14, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Taa Daa! I added shading, and the tabby 'M'!--JKO 23:07, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's coming along, but I suggest blurring the tabby M on the forehead. --FxC **The Waterfall** 22:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Alright, the tabby 'M' is blurred.--JKO 21:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I think this looks good Sandstar12 15:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Very nice improvements. Only a few issues left. In places the outlines have gone fuzzy. The shading needs to be amped up a bit, and blended more.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I tried to "de-fuzz" it. I added shading to the belly, although it looks kind of weird.--JKO 20:54, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

It looks like your shading is just smudging the outlines... So we really need to amp up the shading and give him that 3d look we all know and love. And the ear pink needs to be made a part of the picture.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 00:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Declining this due to lack of progress/comments as a part of a cleanup effort. Once you get time to work on it feel free to resubmit. Will archive soon.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 17:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Hazeltail - Declined

[[File:Hazeltail.gif|left]] Here's my go at Hazeltail. Please criticize me, as long as it' constructive. --FxC **The Waterfall** 03:03, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

A nice start, but there are a few concerns. The markings have very un-naturally looking edges. Mainly in the sense that there are 2 distinct half circle markings (the one where ear and head meet, and the one on the flank). And then... Here we go... I'm gonna say it again: SHADING. *cough* Anyways, a few fixes, and you'll be good to go. It's an excellent beginning.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 12:39, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
How does it look now? Tried to do the markings in the style of Bramble's Brightheart pic. --FxC **The Waterfall** 13:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

This is awesome fxc!I can't wait till it's completly finished.--JayfeatherSheikah 13:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I really like it! I don't see really anything that needs improving, except for maybe blurring the tail patch a bit. --Bramble Bramble's Realm 16:17, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I think she could use a little more gray than white. Otherwise, great job FxC! GB 23:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

The markings on the head and tail need to be blended in like the ones on the body. Shading is needed. Yes. Even on the white parts. And the pink inside the ear looks painted on and needs to be worked fully into the image.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 14:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Is this OK? --FxC **The Waterfall** 13:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
You've nailed getting the patches blended (Good job), but the shading needs to be intensified so that you get that 3D impression. And the ear pink still looks painted in and needs to get worked completely into the image to look more natural.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 00:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Another cleanup effort decline due to lack of progress or comments. Feel free to resubmit once changes are made. Will archive soon.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 17:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Toadkit - Declined

[[File:Toadkit.PNG|left]] This is my go at Toadkit. Please comment appropriately. Eaglebranch(Talk) 01:39, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, he looks to... white. GB 00:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

All the markings need to be blended, as they're all hard-lines between the white and color leaving no sense of fur. Shading is also needed. And the pink of the inside of the ears needs to acctually be worked into the image, rather than just painted in. Very nice start, though.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 14:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I think he looks really cute(Bramble like cute:) but like Kitsu said the patches need to be blended so it looks more natural. Other than that, ditto to first line(btw, I really like the shade of green you used for the eyes. --Bramble Bramble's Realm 22:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Declined due to lack of progress. Will be archived shortly. If you get time to work on it, Eaglebranch, feel completely free to resubmit.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 16:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Mousewhisker - Declined

[[File:Mousewhisker.PNG|left]] Okay, my second attempt at a pixel. This one's better, I think. I remembered to use the correct blank this time at least!! Thoughts? (ps. I couldn't find what colour his eyes are supposed to be - I don't think it says - but I thought blue looked better than amber) --Sandstar12 19:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

This one is really great! But its up to gorse and kitsu.--Redflare 19:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Redflare x--Sandstar12 21:03, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, it looks fine other than the fact that the female blank was used. But good job! --FxC **The Waterfall** 12:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

darn-it! I didn't notice any difference between the blanks...Do I need to re-do this on the male blank? (don't worry - one day I will get it right :])--Sandstar12 15:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

No just take out the spek from the eye.--Redflare 19:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, think I see the difference now. I re-uploaded. --Sandstar12 20:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you need to erase a few pixels, then the eye will be male. But otherwise this looks great. --FxC **The Waterfall** 01:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the positive comments - now I just need to wait and see whether it's accepted.--Sandstar12 19:02, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

A very nice start, but not yet ready to be accepted. It needs to be shaded to give the image a 3D quality, and the pink on the inside of the ear looks painted on and needs to be worked into the image fully.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 15:02, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Is this any better? --Sandstar12 17:46, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

It's improved, but take a good look at Bramble's works, and you'll see more what I'm talking about. You'll want to be careful not to smudge the outlines. You're getting there, just a bit further and it'll be great.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 03:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Now? --Sandstar12 13:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Mabye add some highlights.--Whenyouknowthenotestosing 16:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I added some more lighter areas. I don't want to add too much more shading or highlighting though because he could start to look like a grey cat, not a white cat with grey spots, if you see what I mean...well, I tried--Sandstar12 17:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Is this okay now? Or do I still need to do more?--Sandstar12 18:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately... I can't approve it as that character... You're right in saying that it looks like a grey cat, now. You over-killed on the patch blending... and I think you worked on a single layer in the graphics program to do your shading...  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 17:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I agree 100% I have a question though: If I put the pixel back into the eye to make it female, change the eye colour to a yellow shade and smooth out the shading to make it a more consistent colour could I put thsi up for approval as Greypool? She's described as a grey-white she-cat with yellow eyes. This should be declined though.--Sandy 18:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll add a new approval section for the modified image. This can be declined now. :)--Sandy 19:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

My brain isn't working today - GreyMIST not Greypool! Greypool needs an elder blank...anyway. --Sandy 19:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Declined. Will archive shortly.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 16:53, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Brackenfur - Declined


It doesn't matter to me about Sandstorm anyway...I've created Brackenfur since I know no one is working on a picture for him. The only problem is there wasn't anything about his eye color on his page so I didn't color that. I'm looking over my books now to see if I can find it anywhere though. Make comments as you please. -- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 02:54, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I think you should blend the tabby markings a little. Plus, what color are his eyes?Mallinois 22:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Do generic cat amber, as Kitsu has said before. Also the shading needs to stay on the line of the blank, instead of being wavy like it is now. But this is quite a good start, just needs minor tweaking. --FxC **The Waterfall** 23:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Shading wavy? I don't get what you mean by that but I'll still blend and make the eyes amber.-- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 01:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

The tabby markings look... strange. GB 01:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

I reuploaded Brackenfur. I smooth the tabby markings into the shading and kinda recolored him. I'm not sure why, but I think the other color was better. You guys tell me which was better for his pelt, I can always go back to it.-- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 06:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The pelt color looks good. But the tabby markings need to be a bit lighter - see Brambleclaw, Dustpelt and Feathertail pics so you can look at the minimal contrast between the markings and the pelt. Also, refer to those pics when actually drawing the tabby markings, because they need to be more varied and unique...all you have right now are squiggly lines. --FxC **The Waterfall** 13:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

He looks like someone spilled burnt spaghetti on him. definetly need to fix the tabby markings.^-^Mallinois 15:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

1. It looks like someone dipped a paintbrush in dark red paint and streaked his pelt with it. 2. If you look at the top of his head, you'll see there's a very light patch. GB 16:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

That looks awesome, not quite the way I imagined him but still 16:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Here's my newest update for Brackenfur. I looked at my old Squirrelflight one for reference. The tabby markings are different and I changed the shading. Everything is more blended and smudge together to make it more in tone.-- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 17:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Better, but the tip of the ear needs to be brightened up a bit. GB 17:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

A very nice bit of work, just a few improvements. The first thing that I notice many people have commented on, and that's the tabby markings. They just don't like like they're acctually a part of the pelt. Then the ear pink. Unlike GB, I acctually think the bottom needs to get blended in better so it's not glaring unnatural pink. And then the shading needs to get amped up, but get the tabby sorted first.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 15:25, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Right on it. I did everything you said even though you said try the tabby markings first. I think I'm improving with tabby markings too. The ear is darken as well and the shading is also redone. Comment please-- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 00:54, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
The improvements are looking great. Now it's just time to finish out the blending on the shading, and spread the shading over the whole picture (the head has been completely untouched by it).  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 17:38, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Sure thing. Just to let everyone know I shall probably be away for about a week or two. Though a week is the least amount of time I'd give. So if this gets moved I under stand. Just to inform everyone. -- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 01:57, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I'll decline just to clean things up and you can resubmit when you return.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 16:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Crowfrost- Withdrawn by User

[[File:Crowfrost.png|left]] Okay, I brought him back with blending! GB 05:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't see it.--Whenyouknowthenotestosing 06:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

It does look a little blended, but I'd advise using smudge tool for shading and blending. Blur tool (which I am guessing you used) doesn't cover much area.--JKO 13:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

KK, I'm on it. GB 15:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

How's this? GB 16:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I dunno...the patches still look really painted on to me. I don't know what everyone else thinks though.--Sandstar12 12:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I have such trouble commenting on this one because of the layout of the white... I know too much about cat genetics and pigmentation to be truly easy on this one... The placement of the white makes me twitch because of how much their is (cat color technically comes as if poured in from the top. But the hunters do firmly ignore this fact. See Blackstar and his unnatural black feet on an otherwise white cat.). I do agree with Sandstar, though. The white patches really don't feel like a part of the pelt proper. Maybe experiment with some smudging and try and get a sense of the longhaired fur in the markings. If you look at this picture, you might see what I'm talking about.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 15:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I used the smudge tool just a bit. How's this? GB 15:57, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

The patches sort of remind me of clouds..-- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 23:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
They're still not quite right, GB... They need more work.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 17:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm focusing all of my attention on Briarkit. GB 23:59, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Foxpaw- Declined


I created Foxpaw nearly a month ago and finally decided to get him uploaded. The eyes are amber just like Kitsu said to do for cats that's eye color haven't been mentioned. I always pictured him with green eyes for some reason...but enough of that, make comments as you please. -- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 06:36, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I think this is very good. I also pictured him with green eyes though!--Sandstar12 16:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah maybe it'll be revealed in later books.-- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 17:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
It's a nice start... But I'm going to say two words that I say all the time: Blend and Shade. I mention blending because none of the markings look like they've been properly integrated into the pelt. And I mention shading because you've only got a shaded line down the back. Nice color choices, though. It's a good start and just needs a bit of fine tuning to be good to go.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 15:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Here's the newest Foxpaw. I was wondering, if his eyes will finally be revealed in later books, would I have to reupload him? Anyway, I did what you said Kitsu and blended and shaded more. I don't think my new idea with blending works so well with apprentices, but I'll find one eventually. He is my first try with an apprentice after all.-- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 00:26, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
If the eyes are revealed someday, it's just a little tweak and we upload a new copy over. More blending on the shading. Also, there are points in the outline where it's gotten screwed up that need to get fixed. It's a good start, just a bit more work to do.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 17:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Sure thing. Just to let everyone know I shall probably be away for about a week or two. Though a week is the least amount of time I'd give. So if this gets moved I under stand. Just to inform everyone.-- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 01:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Declined for clutter reduction purposes. You can start fresh and resubmit when you return.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 16:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Queen blanks- Declined

[[File:Queen.png|left|186px]] I need help..........[[User:Mallinois/The Rare Dog 00:49, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Stop! You never uploade an image. That's why it won't work! Now, try uploading the image first. And fix your sig! GB 00:55, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

This looks unnatural (no offence), it's to large, one of the back legs is to big, and some are to skinny. GB 01:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

How do you fix it? I'll work on the legs.Mallinois 01:05, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

How do you make it smaller? I made it in paint, and saved in photoshop, so how do you make it smaller?User:Mallinois 01:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Are they supposed to look pregnant? 01:53, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah. I made it that way. Anyway, How do you make the image smaller!User:Mallinois 02:02, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow. No one is commenting. I'll just fix the ears. They look wierd.User:Mallinois 14:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Mallinois, I don't think this will be approved unless it has a lot of work done to it(no offence). Its too unnatural looking. Maybe if you made the whole pic smaller, straightened the queen, and maybe make the fore legs higher up and the hind legs more stretched out, like the warrior bases, it would look better. Again, no offence, thanks for attempting a queen base, I would really like to get started on a queen, like Daisy. --Bramble Bramble's Realm 19:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

If you made this with photoshop, then I think I might be able to tell you how to make the image smaller. --Bramble Bramble's Realm 19:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

This is the best I can do to make the image smaller at the moment. Next time Mallinois, when you do and image in paint try changing the canvas size so it won't take up so much space. I know this image could have been a lot smaller.Trust me since I work in paint a lot when I'm not using GIMP.-- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 01:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I made it even smaller. --Bramble Bramble's Realm 01:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the amount of work you'll need to do to make this approvals is rather large. Right now the art style isn't anywhere near the level of realism we need. We thank you for the effort. I just have to decline image until you've had time to sort out the anatomy and realism of the image.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 17:07, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Graystripe - Withdrawn By User

[[File:Graystripe.png|left]] First try at a charart:) Criticizm welcome. Hawktail 21:17, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

This is fuzzy, and you made it with paint. You need to blend and shade, for this image needs a lot of work.User:Mallinois 21:36, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Better? Hawktail 22:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

a bit.User:Mallinois 22:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I think Greystripe would need the deputy blank because he's been a deputy at some point - you might want to check that with Kitsu though. Also, the shading needs to be blended in so that it looks like part of the coat--Sandy 15:42, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Fixed some of the lineart that was affected. Hope it helps. Hawktail 18:40, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

The shading still needs a lot of work, and the pink ear looks really unatural--Sandy 21:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

While I have a bit of time on here, the line art still seems a bit choppy. The image needs a lot of blending and shading. The pink does too because it doesn't look right. Also, Graystripe has a stripe going down his back so that does need to be added. And since Bramblclaw is deputy now...I'm not sure if Graystripe should be made with this base or not, because then Brambleclaw needs to be changed as well since he is deputy.-- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 01:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll be honest, this needs A LOT of shading. It also needs to be blended.--Jakko123 02:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Shade. Blend. And bring the lineart back completely. You've got a decent start, but without shading and blending I simply cannot approve this.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 17:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Withdrwaing 22:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Oops, srry, that was me. Hawktail 22:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Harespring - Declined

[[File:Harespring.png|left]] My first attempt at making a pixel. I know there's a lot wrong with it, but anyway. Criticize away :––Σulãlíã{{Talk!}} 19:29, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

My first impression involves the fact that I see strait lines. Which are not natural ;) Rough 'em up. Definetly not a bad start, though. You do need blending, though, on the markings so they look less painted on and more a part of the pelt. And it needs shading. I swear... I need a notice at the top that reads "If you haven't blended or shaded your picture it isn't ready for consideration".  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 19:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
I blended it a bit more, added a bit more (of what I hope is) shading. Any better?––Σulãlíã{{Talk!}} 20:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
The only place I see shading is on the back leg... You need more. To give the image definition and a suggestion of shape. The white markings are someone better. But there are still strait lines on the forepaw and tail. The pink for the inside of the ear... Is sorta messed up, too. You might want to take a look at how others have done it... Right now it looks off because the pink is too wide. Nice work on fixing the markings, though.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 12:33, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
I added some more shading, fixed the ear, and added some more smudging. Gotta go, though, so I'll do the straight lines when I get back, sometime tomorrow.––Σulãlíã{{Talk!}} 13:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Yay, Eu's helping with the project! :p But I thought Harespring was brown and white; this looks nothing like brown. He also looks blurry at some spots, and I can't see the shading. GB 23:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

You'll want to fix where the blurring and smudging fuzzed-up your outline.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't belive Harespring has spots, either. This needs to be redone competly.ZZ Top 19:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Harespring is "a brown-and-white tom." This is correct colors. swifty{ASTRX} 19:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I like the overall picture, but there are just a few things. The color of the pelt looks more like a mixture of yellow-tan than brown. Try a color like what Briarkit has. Also, in the allegiances of Eclipse, it just says he's a brown and white tom, not that he has white spots. Maybe try more like patches of white. --Bramble Bramble's Realm 22:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

ZZ Top, it does not need to be completely redone. The brown looks yellowish, and like Kitsu said, you need to fix where the blurring fuzzed everything up. Also, the white needs to be increased. GB 02:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

We acctually don't have any proof that the cat needs more or less white. Unless you guys can track down some references from the books other than the "brown and white" bit. We don't have any indication that the cat's a tuxedo or the like. With the disregaurd of the authors towards exactness to genetics and the 'pigment parade', I simply can't decline thing on the grounds that it's not a typical interpretation of bicolor markings. I do, however, need to ask for the rest of the points where the outline is blurred to be corrected, and I'd like to see a little bit of smoothing on the outlines of the patches, and getting rid of the strait line for the white tail tip.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 17:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

No one has commented on this for awhile....Should it be declined?User:Mallinois 16:53, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Not yet. It's been 5 days and I don't even consider touching them for cleanup declines until they've been sitting at least a week. Sometimes people just get busy.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 16:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Lack-of-progress decline. Feel free to resubmit later once you've had time to work, Eu. I just gotta eliminate clutter.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 16:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Lionblaze - Declined

[[File:Lionblaze.png|left]] Hi. I'm only just getting the hang of this! Here's my first contribution, Lionblaze! I did as best as I could, I hope it's OK... --Leopardstar's Ultimate fan 19:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC) Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan

Okay, there are a few things I would say about this: Firstly, I would personally say that LIonblaze has a slightly darker pelt colour than this. More of an orangey-brown than a sandy yellow. Also, there needs to be more tabby markings and they some more shading needs to be added. I would also make his eyes more of an orange too. His description says: 'golden tabby tom with amber eyes' --Sandstar12 19:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the tip, i will try and make it better! --Leopardstar's Ultimate fan 20:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan

Is that OK? Or should I add more shading? --Leopardstar's Ultimate fan 20:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

This is better than it was, I'm sure with the extremely high standards here that there is still some more work to do though. I would advise that you add some more shading and maybe tone down the orange stripes a little so that they are a darker shade of teh pelt colour and not so bright. Also, his ear needs to be a more pinkish colour, not yellow and needs to be blended in. This is a good improvement though--Sandstar12 20:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

There - I tried toimprove it. Is it better? ^_^ --Leopardstar's Ultimate fan 21:23, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Its looking better, a little more shading could be added too. Remember to blur them together to make the colors smooth. -- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 04:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

It actually needs a lot of shading. I can barely see it. GB 05:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, the tabby markings are very sharp against the pelt. They need to be blended. GB 05:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, OK, sheesh! By the way, how do you blend it? I made it using paint, so.... --Leopardstar's Ultimate fan 13:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

First off, the colors are done very well. :D If you're using a program like paint, you could use progressively lighter (or darker) colors next to each other to show shading/blending. I'm not very good at explaining things, but I hope it helps either way!! -Hazelflower 15:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Hm... Paint doesn't have blurtool, so it's very hard to use paint and make images. I used to use just Paint, and it was a nightmare! Now I color my images with paint, and edit them with GIMP. Anyway, you should probably download GIMP. Here's a link: [1] GB 15:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

This isn't blending. All you did was outline the tabby markings. Now they look strange, and they're still sharply defined from his pelt. GB 16:20, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I know, i know. that was with paint. I'll try downloading that GIMP you were on about. --:Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 15:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, I used GIMP, and this is what I got! --:Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 15:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

GB take it easy this is Leopardstar's first work. As for Lepardstar, I see some of the shading and don't forget to add some to his back. I don't see any shading at all. You're improving a lot. -- Shim-ShimShimmering Crystals 16:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Um, as far as I know, there is no "taking it easy on people"; I'm just telling her what is needed. Anyway, maybe just a little bit more blending, and the shading we all know and love. ;) GB 16:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'll get to it! --:Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 16:47, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

There! Please comment! --:Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 08:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Um... you never re-uploaded him. GB 14:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I believe in a firm approach of 'no mercy'. If you submit here, the art is subjected to the expected standards. Respect and politeness are to be used to explaining the points for improvement, however. Now... The color choices I like, but shading and blending are lacking, as others have said... You do have a great start and it's a well done bit of work for it being your first go at this, but I do have one thing to say that the others haven't. It concerns the way the tabby markings are drawn, and the fact that Garfield-tabby won't be accepted as long as I have any say in this project.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 15:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

OK.... So, different markings, and more shading and blending? I will try! --:Leopardstar's Ultimate Fan 14:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Declined for lack-of-progress. Once you've gotten corrections made, feel free to resubmit.  Kitsufox  Fox's Den 16:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)