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Sparrowkit (Ki) - Declined

My first charart! [[File:Sparrowkit.kit.png]] Comments? ★Moonleaf★ 15:15, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I do not think you should make a charart for a cat who has an unknown description. ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 16:51, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oh :(. Should I delete it? ★Moonleaf★ 17:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

No, you shouldn't delete it. Let's see if we can find Sparrowkit's description. XD If not, this will be declined. ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 17:21, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well, it only says on his page "a big tabby tom". ★Moonleaf★ 17:22, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Make him look like his mother, Kinkfur, she is called just a tabby and she is a brownish color. Also I would make the tabby stripes more visible.ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ 20:02, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

We shouldn't make a charart for a cat who does not have a cited description. ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 20:48, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I saw in a Browse Inside for Night Whispers that said he was a tabby tom.ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ 21:04, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

So should I reupload or just delete? ★Moonleaf★ 21:29, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I think you should leave it up and just make him brown, considering we made a charart for his mother whose coat colour is described only as tabby, why can't we for him? Mossy go away. 21:51, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I think you should do too.ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ 22:01, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

You do have a point, Mosspool... but I don't think he should have one, not until we find a colour. oblivionAudience? 22:04, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Just because he's described as a tabby doesn't mean that we can give him any color we want. I think that unless someone who has a copy of Night Whispers (I don't) can find a cite for his pelt color, this will have to be temporary declined. But that's just my opinion, and it's not my decision to make. Rainwhisker567 22:23, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

But like I said, that's what we did for his mother so why not him? Anyways, if he doesn't get a charart then Kinkfur probably shouldn't either. Mossy go away. 22:28, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded ★Moonleaf★ 22:43, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

It looks good, just maybe darken the shading more. We still will have to wait and see if it will be used though. ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ 23:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded again ★Moonleaf★ 23:51, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

I see your point, Mosspool, but I don't think that cats who have don't have a pelt color should have a charart. But Kinkfur's charart's been done already, so I don't think we should do anything about it. Personally, I think that we can't just assume that because a cat's a tabby that they're brown. We could temporarily decline this until we get a color for his fur, but that's only my opinion, like I said before. I really don't mean to offend anyone, just state my opinion. Rainwhisker567 00:45, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Blackclaw. Also, I don't think we should clutter up this and keep commenting. We should wait for a lead to handle this. ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 02:20, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

I personally don't think it matters that we already made the images, what does that have to do with anything? We've taken images off a page when they're no longer needed. 70.64.149.241 05:44, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

That was me, I was somehow magically logged out XD Mossy go away. 05:56, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

I am declining this; there is always a chance his pelt color will be found out in a future book. And in the meantime, we should decide if all tabby cats that were not provided a color should be given art at all. I'll make a forum discussion about it. Please do not post here again. --Bramble -Hyuu~ 20:33, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Furled Bracken (L)- Declined

[[File:Furled_bracken_(L).png]]This is the leader version of Furled bracken. I saw on the page that it says "Leader" on it.

First, this isn't in the correct section. Second, leader blanks are used for traditional Clan leaders only (basically leaders that believe in StarClan). BlizzardfurWhiteCatsRuleLeaf-bare! 21:43, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Declining and archiving this. oblivionAudience? 21:45, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Stoneteller (Alt. Healer) ~ Declined

[[File:Stoneteller.alt.healer.png]] Not thrilled about how this one came out. I think I might redo the tabby stripe pattern. Comments? ScarletwindMedicine cat of SolarClan 04:04, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Nice! Make the right earpink smaller and fix the eyes so Stoneteller doesn't look crosseyed. ;) BlizzardfurWhiteCatsRuleLeaf-bare! 21:08, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

It looks great, but the ear-pink looks like they are different sizes. (The right ear-pink looks bigger) ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ 21:35, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Stoneteller already has an alternate healer image, the charart gallery just wasn't set up to show alternate healers, so I'm just declining this, no concequences for you Scarletwind =) oblivionAudience? 21:47, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, i thought that was kinda weird. I remember him having an alternate charart up for approval, but then I didn't see it in either the declined files or on his page. Back to the search! ScarletwindMedicine cat of SolarClan 21:53, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

How about instead of just devoting your time to searching for charart to do, you could edit some character articles? You know, expand some history here, add a few quotes there. It's not much, but Bramble and I would hate to see PC neglected just because this project is re-opened. Just a suggestion. oblivionAudience? 21:55, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Gladly! And while I'm at it, I might find a couple chararts that've been overlooked. ScarletwindMedicine cat of SolarClan 21:58, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Tumblekit (Alt. Ki) - Declined

[[File:Tumplekit.alt.png.png]]

Sorry I didnt realize wrong place...can someone please move it? Thanks.

Spottedleaf✿ 03:31, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

I moved this for you. Add nose colour and blurr the ear pink.---ſceheartBlah blah 04:59, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Lighten the entire thing, add a glimmer to her eye and darken the shading. ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 05:10, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Spottedleaf, are you even a member of PCA? I've searched the members list and the table, and you're not there. Anyone can suggest improvements, but only members are allowed to offer up images, if I'm correct. Also, Moonpelt1786 already has Tumblekit (Alt. Ki) reserved on the table, if you haven't seen. I think Bramble will issue a 24-hour ban. Please ask to join if you would like to become a member. Thanks, --Midnite Talk 20:37, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Midnite, you're right about the ban, but you don't have to be a member to offer up images. Declining this, and Spottedleaf, you will be issued a ban. oblivionAudience? 21:27, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, okay, thanks Oblivion. :) I'll remember that for future times. At least I was right about one thing. XD --Midnite Talk 02:09, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Darkstripe (Alt. Rogue) - Declined

[[File:Darkstripe.rogue.alt.png]]

Making this image has fully made me appreciate how hard it is to do two tone cats! Not very proud or happy with it. And this should not technically be declined because Icestorm has reserved his alternate warrior while I took his alternate rogue form and Darkstripe was described with silver stripes in Fading Echoes, when he was a rogue. Comments? Starlingflight Take Flight into the Sky! 04:30, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think there was a discussion where we said that Darkstripe wouldn't receive this alternate image, since it was something about reversing the stripe color and what-not. I don't remember too well. :P ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 04:33, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well,i dont know about tht but,if not,no,iit wont,darken the stripes Maplepool 04:34, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Reuploaded - Still not happy. Darkened the stripes. Please inform me if I should take this off. I don't really mind. Starlingflight Take Flight into the Sky! 05:01, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, yes, you should. It's like asking whether a zebra has white stripes or black stripes... it's the same thing XD llwildheartl 05:19, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

No, no it is not . . . Darkstripe was never silver with black stripes to begin with. He was a dark gray and black tabby, later described as black with silver stripes, making this image perfectly valid. Mossy go away. 05:30, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Mosspool: Well, technically, no, because right now his most consistant description, the one on his page, is him as a silver-and-black tabby, which is the same thing as either a black tabby with silver stripes, or a silver tabby with black stripes.

If there is a citation for him being a dark gray and black tabby, though, that would be a perfectly acceptable alternate for you to do, Starlingflight. llwildheartl 06:27, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

He looks exactly the same as his rogue charart, just with lighter stripes and a darker body. Bramble even said this image wasn't needed, and I agree with her. oblivionAudience? 13:13, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, because his page used to say that he was silver and black, (without a cite when I looked at it, maybe when it was made it had a cite for one time he was described that way) that's why his image is silver and black. But if you actually looked at his page, guys, you would see that his description is dark gray and black, with a cite. That means we would probably change the other one when Tweak Week rolls around. Mossy go away. 17:22, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Dovesong--he was described as dark gray with black stripes (I'll find a cite if needed), and all the other appearances of him are mistakes on behalf of the Erins. Nice job on the art, by the way :). I think maybe his coloring (main coloring, not stripes) could stand to be a bit lighter, but it's fine the way it is now, too. :) Maplefrost! 19:40, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, my last argument was a little messed. To me, silver and black is not all that different than dark gray and black, and my "zebra" argument still stands about the swapped colours. I think we should ask Bramble. llwildheartl 23:43, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but Darkstripe wasn't silver with dark gray stripes. He was gray with BLACK stripes. There isn't any black anywhere on this--if it were a reverse-Darkstripe, he would be black with dark gray stripes. Not dark gray with silver stripes. Maplefrost! 00:10, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

We shouldn't clutter up this discussion, wait for Bramble or Oblivion to handle this. ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 01:49, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Y’all are honestly arguing about his stripes being flipped? –sigh- Starling, this is a pretty image, but largely unneeded. Same colors but flipped, same markings, etc… I highly doubt any guests to our wiki are particularly going to care whether or not they see Darkstripe gray with black stripes or black with gray/silver stripes. So, this image will be declined. Keep up the good work, though, Starling. --Bramble -Hyuu~ 04:01, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Sparrowkit- Declined

[[File:Sparrowkit.kit.png]] Got NW sooner than I thought. What d'ya think?  Darkhallows...Mew? 13:40, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think this was once declined because we did not know the colour of the tabby tom. ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 15:21, December 11, 2010 (UTC) I agree with Frostheart. I did Sparrowkit originally but it was declined after lots of confusion about the colour. Now I'm doing Mosspelt's alt. queen version. BlizzardfurWhiteCatsRuleLeaf-bare! 15:53, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

They're right, sorry Darkhallows. Declining this. oblivionAudience? 15:54, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Why, then, was Henry given a Charart? Moonflight 21:39, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

That's a good point, Henry's image will probably have to be deleted since he's only described as a 'tabby tom' --Nightshine 21:41, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

A lot of other cats were also called just tabbies too, like Kinkfur, Sparrowkit's mother. Rainwhisper 21:56, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

We already had this discussion. I believe it was settled that Bramble and Oblivion would discuss it, but until then, don't put up any tabby chararts like that. Or it was agreed that cats without colours don't get a charart, I honestly don't remember. XD ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 22:06, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Oh oops! I mus have missed that x_x. Haven't we done non-specified tabbies since... like the begining? Oh well.  Darkhallows...Mew? 23:18, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Creekfeather (K) - Declined

[[File:Creekfeather.kit.png]]

Take the smudge tool to it. Make the stripes look like faint feathers brushing the pelt, using the images on Creekfeather for reference. The shading needs to be less blocked, and more subtle like shadow. You may even have to completely redo. --Bramble -Hyuu~ 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Are you still working on this? oblivionAudience? 21:48, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

I'm still working on this, don't worry. I'll reupload it tomorrow--my computer's being slow right now. FoggyLatin Freak 03:48, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Are you still working on this? llwildheartl 22:27, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined.  Darkhallows...Mew? 11:23, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Declining due to lack of work. oblivionAudience? 17:35, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Dawnstripe (Q) ~ Declined

[[File:Dawnstripe.queen.png]]

Setting 24 hours before approval. --Bramble -Hyuu~ 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I still think the stripes could be a tad bit more noticible. Nice job otherwise! oblivionAudience? 03:34, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the shading. Blossomfire₰Misty's best friend!₰ 20:08, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - I think I accidentally deleted it so I copied it from here. I did my best to make the stripes more visible and blur the shading more. {{Nosubst|User:Dappleclaw/sig}} 03:48, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Is it just me, or does the entire thing look blurred? Maybe it's my eyesight failing.. ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 18:48, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

You're right... it's making my eyes hurt. Sharpen the image. oblivionAudience? 21:45, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Re-uploaded - I tried, but it looks fine on my gimp file, so let me know if you see a difference. {{Nosubst|User:Dappleclaw/sig}} 22:41, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Looks fine now. There is a pixel of white in her chest fur, fill that in. oblivionAudience? 22:45, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

I think the stripes need to be more defined still--Nightshine 07:10, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Um I think the only fundamental problem is that, in her warrior image, Dawnstripe's stripes are paler than the usual fur tone. But in this image, they are darker. Not that it matters too much, but I still think it's worth noticing. Starlingflight Take Flight into the Sky! 13:57, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

@Starrlingflight: What you're saying is like saying, "a zebra has black stripes". It's the exact same thing as saying "a zebra has white stripes". llwildheartl 00:12, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Very true Wildheart. I just thought I'd mention it anyway. Starlingflight Take Flight into the Sky! 05:45, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

No, Starlingflight is right because it doesn't matter if its like claiming you know that a zebra has black stripes or whatever because her other image is shown with paler stripes. And besides, her description is a creamy golden tabby with barely visible, pale, stripes. Mossy go away. 04:05, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

@Mosspool: Kay, not trying to start an argument, but I compared the warrior and the queen side by side and they look almost exactly alike, save for the shading styles and fact that the warrior's stripes are more smudged than blurred. I even used a colour picker tool and the colours are almost the exact same shade.

@Starlingflight: I'm sorry. When you said the stripes were darker, I thought you meant the spaces in between the light stripes, which is why I presented the zebra argument haha. Not saying I agree with what you said, but I was mistaken. llwildheartl 06:48, December 9, 2010 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined--Nightshine 02:34, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Declined due to lack of work.  Darkhallows...Mew? 11:20, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Cora (W) - Declined

[[File:Cora.warrior.png]]

Lighten the entire image and blur thoroughly to get rid of the pixel-y texture. Everything else looks fine. --Bramble -Hyuu~ 22:52, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I can do that. Be back soon! Snickers Blastoff... 00:03, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined--Nightshine 02:31, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Snickers,are you still working on this? Maplepool 15:03, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Declining due to lack of work. oblivionAudience? 20:31, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sootfur (alt. W) - Declined

[[File:Sootfur.alt.warrior.png]] First black (or gray-black) cat for me. Sootfur was mentioned as "gray black" in Sunset three times before his burial. I worked hard on him, so I hope he turned out pretty well! I may lighten him up a touch soon. Hollydapple 01:54, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the haunch shading a little. ⓇⓐⒾⓝⓌⓗⒾⓢⓅⓔⓇ 02:00, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Blur the face highlight, near the neck. -ſceheartBlah blah 02:04, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Looks lovely! The highlight on the tip of the tail looks a bit out of place to me... Maybe bring it down a bit? ScarletwindMedicine cat of SolarClan 03:49, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. A little blotchy to me. Needs quite a bit of blurring. Starlingflight Take Flight into the Sky! 06:35, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Amazing job! Could the ear pink be a tad larger? --Midnite Talk 20:24, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I like the earpink as it is. Darken the highlight on his muzzle a bit. llwildheartl 08:06, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Rename it Sootfur.warrior.alt oblivionAudience? 02:05, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Darken the highlights a tad. ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 04:49, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Please work on this or it will be declined--Nightshine 02:27, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Declining due to lack of work. oblivionAudience? 22:31, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

Honeyfern (Alt. A)~ Declined

[[File:Honeyfern.apprentice.alt.png]]Eh....Comments? -ſceheartBlah blah 03:25, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Smudge the patches more, darken the shading, and make the ear-pink more noticeable. ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 03:27, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

She doesn't get an alternate. See my edit summary for the main page. Declined. oblivionAudience? 03:31, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I disagree, but i accept it. May i reserve my next charart? -ſceheartBlah blah 23:59, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Mudfur (Alt. MC) ~ Declined

[[File:Mudfur.Medicinecat.alt.png]]Comments? -ſceheartBlah blah 00:29, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

He was only mentioned as mottled, no colour. Since we are currently discussing this, I'll have to decline it, sorry. oblivionAudience? 00:33, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Again? No, i understand. Frustrating though XD. -ſceheartBlah blah 00:36, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Brackenfur (Alt. W) - Declined

[[File:Brackenfur.warrior.alt.png]] In Rising Storm, p.165, he is called a pale ginger warrior. Just pointing that out. Comments? Roo Hawkfrost lover♥ 03:15, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't pale ginger and golden brown basically the same thing? I remember that once someone before had tried do his alternate warrior charart and it was declined because there is no real difference. But then again, that was when Bramble was leader, and maybe Oblivion and Frostheart have other thoughts. Darken the shading on his legs and make the ear-pink more noticeable. ScarletwindMedicine Cat of SolarClan 03:23, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, golden-brown and pale ginger are the same thing, but we could wait for Oblivon's opinion, if wanted. ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 03:26, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind. :P Declining. --ℱrostheartϡ Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia 04:39, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Mistystar (Alt.W)-Declined

[[File:Mistystar.alt.warrior.png]] What do you think?Any comments?Rainey ♫Rainwillow♫ 11:24, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

First, this is in the wrong place. Second, Mistystar doesn't need an alternate warrior image. Blue-grey and dark grey are kinda the same. This has to be declined, sorry. ♥Moonleaf☽Luvs Leaf-bare!♥ 18:17, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

She's right. Declining. oblivionAudience? 20:22, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

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