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Apprentice Tutorials Makeover
So as most of you should know, since Snowed of Lightning mentioned it above, that I will help out with the apprentice tutorials' update. I want to start ASAP, and I want to know from you guys which ones need updating. We aren't claiming which oines to do yet, but Snowed of Lightning says she wants to redo the black cat tutorial.
Which tutorials do you think need updating? ☽➸ Hawky Void Shadowshot0:41 Wed May 7
Mottled and flecked. ❄Sorrel It's everything I dreamed 07:03, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't mind a tweak to the tortoiseshell and dual-colored ones to make them a little more natural, so to say. (the ones Iceheart and Loonie did) The tortie one only shows pale torties, I think, and the dual colored one should have a bit more variety. I will say this, though. No one needs to touch Bloo's marbled tabby one- it's perfect in every way, shape, and form. 8DD —Jayce(13:56, 5/7/2014)
Yes Snowed of Lightning. That one is fine too. I agree with both of you. ☽➸ Hawky Void Shadowshot20:17 Wed May 7
The eye and shading charts need updating. And possibly the adding stripes tweak tutorial... Idk. — ferk my name is BLURRYFΛCE 20:55, 05/7/2014
We should add more diversity in tutorials, like having some be using queen blanks, deputy blanks, leader blanks, kit blanks, etc. Notquiterocketwildbokan (talk) 21:17, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
Oooh, yes, that's a fantastic idea. I find it awkward to try and tabby on a blank that isn't shown in a tutorial because that's how I learned the way the tabby stripes should go. I'm sure others feel the same, so the project and all the users would benefit from the use of more than just the warrior blank (which is the most commonly used blank) for the tutorials. — ferk my name is BLURRYFΛCE 22:50, 05/7/2014
Yes, fabulous. I was thinking that the shading placement image needs updating as well, and the color chart too; it could have a few more colors (if there are any). ☽➸ Hawky Void Shadowshot2:02 Fri May 9
See, that's the thing with the color chart. I don't think it's a good idea to take that for perfect, since the colors are only a basic example of what you could use. It's the same with the ear pink. It should really only be used as a guide for what color area you should start with if you're new...but as this project has shown, there are a lot of different colors and shades that you could use. I'd be all for updating the shading placement to show different styles too. ^^ If someone has the time I'd say two styles for each blank but that would be madness and I don't expect anyone to sit around and do that. —Jayce(15:06, 5/9/2014)\
I've got time. I might even have time for the frigging eyes DX I already started 3 days ago I'm not even half way done cause I don't have the patience. ☽➸ Hawky Void Shadowshot23:20 Fri May 9
I think that under each section, say, dual-coloured, we should have multiple tutorials by different users. I don't think that unless they are misleading, tutorials shouldn't be replaced but kept in respect to the artists. I like Icehearts, and I don't want to see them replaced. With different tutorials under each section, then users can select from a variety of diverse styles and choose which one fits them best instead of just looking at one tutorial. Stoneclaw 01:12,5/16/2014
White and black (individual white cats and black cats I mean) is also misleading. They imply that you're not allowed to use pure white or a really really dark gray, when in fact that is quite the opposite. While it's possible (and I've done it for fun), I believe having tutorials that show using pure white and darker gray should be an option- someone once told me that using pure white was forbidden, and that's completely and totally misleading. =P —Jayce(01:12, 5/18/2014)
I agree with you all. So, now, shall we start with the tutorial's make-over? I can start with the 'tabbers' coding on the page. Then, I can place the tutorials according to their level of difficulty (Charart basics, like shading styles, eye placement, etc, then to patterns, like tabby and mottled/flecked, etc, and then tweaking, etc.). Sound like a plan? ☽➸ Hawky Void Shadowshot16:50 Mon May 19
It's more than okay with me, if you want to start with some of the basics, Hawk. What say you, PCA? Should we get started on this? —Jayce(16:26, 5/20/2014)
Sounds good to me. Might as well get this all done sooner so we can give newer users a more updated look at how us dorks over at PCA art. love you all you awesome nerds — ferk my name is BLURRYFΛCE 20:33, 05/20/2014
Okay, the tutorials have been put into tabbers. What do y'all think? I guess now we can start updating/making tutorials. So I was thinking to add:
- Texture Tutorial
- Smudged Shading Style Tutorial
- Torbie Tutorial
I know that Snowed of Lightning wants to redo/update the black cat tutorial, and I'd like to make a texture tutorial as well as update the eye placement and shading placement. I can also take care of the smudge-shading tutorial. So pretty much I just want to hog everything for myself mwahahaha No jk jk jk Is everyone okay with this? ☽➸ Hawky Void Shadowshot21:29 Tue May 20
I defiantly agree with adding texture and torbies; sounds great to me! ❄Sorrel It's everything I dreamed 13:00, May 29, 2014 (UTC)
I'd also like to see tutorials for how to use Pixlr, Gimp, paint.NET, and everything else that is usually used. I think it'd be helpful. User:Notquiterocketwildbokan/Sig 13:04, May 29, 2014 (UTC)
Oooh, having ones per program, or at least ones teaching the basics, would be something I'd be okay with. Although I can't help, since I use Photoshop, it's still a really good thing to consider. I feel bad when I can't help people who come and ask me, since I'm literally so inexperienced with those, especially Paint.NET and Pixlr. —Jayce(13:57, 5/30/2014)
I totally agree with Snowed of Lightning about that. Now; shall we get started? ☽➸ Hawky Void Shadowshot11:50 Mon Jun 2
I've got no complaints about getting this rolling. Let's get it started. Is each person gonna take a different one, or are we just letting everyone do their own versions? 'cause each person has different methods and I think just letting everyone share their ideas would be the easiest and fairest way to go about it. I just want to do a bi-colored and the regular black, and maybe something on white if I have the energy, and you guys can do the rest. —Jayce(15:48, 6/2/2014)
I think we should let all warrior and aboves do their own versions. As said, it's fair and everyone has their own methods and it's a good way to share ideas. owo Stoneclaw 13:37,6/5/2014
Suggestion for a new requirement to become a SW
So I was thinking (I've actually had this idea for quite a while but whatever) and I think a new requirement should be added to become a sw. I think that in order to become a SW you have to nominate at least one article and it must pass in PW, PR, PB, or PC. This way users will have to help the other projects to advance in PCA and SW nominations won't be as much about pretty art. I think it would help, and when ou think about it it isn't hard at all to get a nomination in a project. x3 -Ducksauce 21:01, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
That's acutally a really good idea. Didn't this project close because of other projects being ignored? If we do this, then that means that the other projects would benifit, too. Notquiterocketwildbokan (talk) 21:03, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it did. ^ I like this idea. Not only would they be participating in other projects, they might actually learn to like working on the mainspace articles and become more active members in other projects. I'm all for this- the main focus is not PCA, but it does have fun parts. Plus, as Duck said, it really isn't very hard to nominate and get them to pass. —Jayce(21:04, 5/10/2014)
I really like this idea. I've gotten a page up to silver and it wasn't hard. Granted it was a very minor character's page, but it wasn't hard at all. Should be an easy task to accomplish for everyone. — ferk my name is BLURRYFΛCE 21:07, 05/10/2014
I agree, nominating is a piece of cake. This will probably stop the other projects being ignored (compared to the PCA). ❄Sorrel It's everything I dreamed 16:37, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
Really though, nothing you do can get people to work in other projects or the mainspace if they really don't interest. I don't exactly support the idea tbh, because that requirement has nothing to do with being a PCA lead. If you want the requirements to get harder, then they should be more relevant to PCA. There were many people who were PCA leads without having anything to do with other projects, because they feel that their skills don't lie with those projects. But you can't deny them a lead position if they really deserve it for that reason. Scarlet, for an example mainly edited PCA, and would you say that she didn't deserve her spot because her skills lay here, or that she didn't contribute. Same with a lot of other people that I could name before. Personally, there are other methods of trying to raise the activity in other projects. Plus, guys, PCA is still contributing. Stoneclaw 01:06,5/16/2014
I have to agree with Stoner. PCA leads are picked because of their performance in PCA not elsewhere on the wiki. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith10:29 Fri May 16 2014
Wasn't the entire reason we closed PCA in the first place to shift the focus to other projects? While the leads are picked because of the performance in PCA, it would still be nice to see them edit elsewhere every once in a while. While we can't deny them a lead spot because they don't edit in other projects, it would still be nice to see them edit elsewhere. But, it's not for everyone, as stated before. Would membership in another project be a better qualification instead of a nomination having successfully passed? You don't have to nominate- I see people who comment on discussions in other projects that are PCA users, but they'd rather not nominate. Paleh was a prime example of that (I'm not calling you out, Paleh, I swear, you were just the name I could think of off the top of my head and you were a project lead at one point too). While she didn't nominate, she was still active in other projects and helping them in whatever ways she could. —Jayce(16:22, 5/20/2014)
I think membership is too easy, you can be a member of a project and never contribute I think that it should be a nomination or an active membership, meaning they comment on stuff and stuff like that. -Ducksauce 18:25, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
No-Rank Blank
Okay, Kate says on her blog, that the ancient cats, do not have ranks. Therefore, I'd like to bring back the idea of using a no-rank blank for these, and the characters we have descriptions for, but no rank. As-in, a true no-rank blank. This would also be good for other characters as well, I'd think- maybe Brightspirit and the others, since it's mentioned they were alive at one point in time. We also have some characters from River's group that would fall under needing this as well... Basically, for people that say we don't need the rank, we actually have a canon purpose that would require, so to say, a blank. Basically for people that can't load Kate's blog, here's what was said:
- Beebs
- Oh, Kate, I’ve been wondering this for a while, and I wonder if you know anything about this. In The Sun Trail, are the cats that aren’t elders, queens, kits, or Stoneteller sharpclaws? And Hawk Swoop, Falling Feather, and Jackdaw’s Cry being softpaws, since they’re called “young”? I’d be thankful if you know anything of the Tribe cats’ ranks at all, since it’s never mentioned in the main story.
- Kate
- The Tribe didn’t have ranks. The younger cats are just considered softpaws until they have more experience. It’s not as formalised as with the Clans.
So, yeah. Kate's declared it so. I'd also think this would apply to Gray Wing, Clear Sky, Turtle Tail, ect. Those cats who left, who used to be members of the rankless group. <shrugs> So, now we have a reason- so you can't say it's still not needed when it's explicitly said that these cats have no ranks. —Jayce(14:13, 5/30/2014)
Sounds great - a new blank! So, how would this blank look?❄Sorrel It's everything I dreamed 14:30, May 30, 2014 (UTC)
Well, the discussion is for the possibility of a new blank, so whether or not we'd decide on one/an artist for it/ect, depends on how this goes. =P As for how they'd look, that's all up to whomever creates blanks. That's why we vote, to decide on whichever stance we like best. —Jayce(14:34, 5/30/2014)
I agree that the new blank should be added. Also, this would probably be needed for Slant since it's not stated what rank he was before his death, since Jayfeather did see him before, implying that he was alive at one point, too. Queen Beebs 19:48, May 30, 2014 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to disagree about Slant getting one since we don't actually know if he was part of this ancient Tribe or the Tribe when they had ranks. Same with Brightspirit and her parents since they had ranks as Clan cats we just don't know what they were. Basically, I could see an ancient Tribe blank but not a no-rank blank. -Rustle it takes a leap of faith21:14 Fri May 30 2014
I think that whatever it's called, it shouldn't be called a 'no-rank' blank 'cause that doesn't sound right. If we were to decide on having these blanks, wouldn't we just have a vote like this? Stoneclaw 05:02,5/31/2014
- Yes, Stoner. That's the only fair way to ensure everyone who wants to participate gets a fair chance. —Jayce(08:12, 5/31/2014)
I'm gonna jab this for comments. There are tons of you editing, so let's go. =P —Jayce(14:00, 6/3/2014)
Alternate queen?
So, for the queen images, am I allowed to take a queen image that hasn't been done yet and put it under tweak (on the table)? User:Notquiterocketwildbokan/Sig 13:39, June 3, 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, you can. Although it wouldn't be a tweak. You can have one original image and one redone queen, as long as the queen image image isn't one that hasn't been done yet. Like, take for example, you can't do Cinderfur's StarClan image and Ryestalk's queen image- since Ryestalk's queen image was never made. You can do (examples not saying they're available) Cinderfur's StarClan image and Whitewing's queen, since that image was already approved and just needs to be redone. —Jayce(14:08, 6/3/2014)
Join Request
Can I join, please? c: CapitanWolf (talk) 20:08, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
What happened?
Hey, so I was looking through the Approval page, and I saw that the image I had put up had been taken down, but I never withdrew it, or had it declined, and it's not in any of the archives. What happened? User:Notquiterocketwildbokan/Sig 00:29, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
Nevermind, I found it. It wasn't showing up. Sorry! User:Notquiterocketwildbokan/Sig 00:30, June 5, 2014 (UTC)